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Cricket 07-02-2017 22:10

Testing Metformin + Berberine Together
 
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I know we have discussed Berberine as a replacement for Metformin (for some people) but I am curious if any of y'all have tried them together?

First let me explain why I am asking. As most of you know, I live a Keto lifestyle and take Metformin to control my diabetes. My diabetes is 99% under control. My last A1C was 6.2. The one issue that continue to perplex me, are my morning numbers. I have tried just about everything to control the dawn phenomenon, with very little success. Additionally, my numbers in the morning will continue to climb until I give in and eat or drink my version of bullet proof coffee.

Yes, I realize I could give in and go on insulin, but I would rather not.

I have been doing some research on Berberine and found some articles that taking Berberdine AND Metformin may improve control.

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When taken together, Metformin and berberine seem to work synergistically for even better glucose control. Surprising supplements: Five effective nutrients you've never heard of | Precision Nutrition
I am going to start testing results with taking both and see if it makes any difference in my morning numbers.

Cricket 07-05-2017 18:28

I am seeing a very noticeable drop in my blood glucose levels over the last 3 days, including my fasting numbers. Unfortunately, I added 3 things (Berberine, Milk Thistle, and apple cider vinegar) into my daily routine, so I have no way of knowing which one is making a difference or if it is the combination of all three.

mbuster 07-05-2017 19:05

Sounds silly, but it could very well be all three. I wouldn't cut one out and if things started back the other way, think that that's the one that is working. If you really want to find out, you would probably let them all clear out then do a 3 day trial with each individually, with a clear out in between. Follow that with doing combinations of two at a time, and then back to all three together.

Cricket 07-05-2017 20:57

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Originally Posted by mbuster (Post 1222378)
Sounds silly, but it could very well be all three. I wouldn't cut one out and if things started back the other way, think that that's the one that is working. If you really want to find out, you would probably let them all clear out then do a 3 day trial with each individually, with a clear out in between. Follow that with doing combinations of two at a time, and then back to all three together.

Since my diagnosis, I have NEVER seen good fasting numbers like I am right now.

Everything BUT my fasting numbers were great before. (Waking up to 109 which is well below my norm for consecutive fasting numbers.)

I am scared to change ANYTHING right now. Hopefully the last three days haven't been just a fluke. I will continue to monitor and see if this new trend continues.

VeeJay 07-05-2017 23:43

You could always wait a few months, then eliminate one and see if there's any change.

Cricket 07-05-2017 23:58

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Originally Posted by VeeJay (Post 1222562)
You could always wait a few months, then eliminate one and see if there's any change.

That is a good idea. I am actually happy that I tired them all together because if it turns out it was the combination of all 3 making the difference, I would have never known, so I am gonna go with your idea. Wait a few months then start dropping one by one to see what happens.

Cricket 07-06-2017 00:09

As I look back to the early days, it is amazing to me how far I have come.

My journey began with an ambulance ride to the hospital, when my daughter called 911 because she thought I was having a stroke. When I was admitted, AFTER the first dose of insulin, my blood sugar was still pushing 400. At that time, I was also eating what I thought was a healthy diet and walking anywhere between 5-10 miles a day. I remember the nutritionist coming in and explaining how I needed to eat 30-45 carbs at EVERY meal. Needless to say, every appointment after my discharge I was sicker than the appointment before and each appointment led to more and more drugs. I remember thinking that if this was going to be life, I didn't know how I could deal with it every day.

And then I discovered LCHF and a later on, KETO...

I mean it when I say, that I believe LCHF/KETO saved my life.

Cricket 07-07-2017 14:58

Okay, this could be pure coincidence, but last night, I completely forgot to drink some apple cider vinegar before going to bed.

Guess what?

My blood sugar was higher this morning.

Still testing...

kazz8888 07-09-2017 17:44

Gosh apple cider vinegar would have been first on my list to cut out! I just don't like the taste of it. Please keep us posted. X

Cricket 07-09-2017 22:29

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Originally Posted by kazz8888 (Post 1223754)
Gosh apple cider vinegar would have been first on my list to cut out! I just don't like the taste of it. Please keep us posted. X

I wasn't a fan of it at first either, I just usually mix a teaspoon or two in a large glass of water and sip on it at night while I am winding down.

I heard you can buy them in capsule form too though.


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