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Old 07-15-2018, 03:14   #21
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Type 2 is a multifactorial complex disorder that involves many organ systems. Genetic factors play a big role (there are at least 40 genetic mutations known to be associated with type 2 diabetes) as well as obesity, elevated levels of lipids and insulin in the blood, and insulin resistance.

Type 1 development points to certain viruses, genetic disposition, vaccines. What doesnt cause type 1? diet or lifestyle. To say point blank
that cows milk is the cause of type 1 diabetes ignores all the factors involved

this article from City of Hope shows that type 1 diabetes results from a mistake of the beta cell, not a mistake of the immune system. Much like cancer, diabetes requires a system of precision medicine; a way to offer individualized and personalized therapies for people with diabetes.

https://asweetlife.org/new-theory-ab...pe-1-diabetes/

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Many millions of people, for decades, have eaten processed food and drank cow's milk and didn't get diabetes (T1 or T2). Mind you, I'm not defending the Standard American (or Canadian or Mexican or French or ... Diet) or drinking cow's milk. But the sheer numbers indicate there must be something more to it than the causes mentioned.

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What year did the Western diet get new recommendations and more and more processed foods go into more and more households? There is some truth to what we eat does have an effect on what happens to us.

Here's some diabetes numbers for the US since 1957 from the CDC.

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HIGH-FRUCTOSE CORN SYRUP
American scientists discovered a way to use enzymes to convert glucose in cornstarch to fructose; in 1967 Japanese scientist Yoshiyuki Takasaki created a cost-effective industrial process. Food companies loved the low cost and the ease with which liquid corn syrup could be dissolved into sodas.

Processed Foods History:
1910s to 1950s
https://modernpioneermom.com/2012/07...910s-to-1950s/

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There is some truth to what we eat does have an effect on what happens to us.
Absolutely what we eat has an effect! As LCHF/keto eaters with diabetes, we know this.

But even if diabetes were diagnosed in, say, a quarter of the U.S. population (linked CDC report uses the figure 7.4%), that still means that in 320 million USians eating essentially the same foods, three out of every four USians don't get diabetes.

Even if you allow that some diabetes goes undiagnosed, an experiment proposing that diabetes was caused only by diet -- and getting those results -- would be considered an abject failure.

Sorry -- I just have a very low tolerance for bad (and sensational) science.

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I never said diet only causes diabetes. Genetics do not change quickly enough to blame what has happened in the last 75 years, but environmental changes have occurred. What we eat and drink, what we are exposed to - chemically, pharmaceutically, etc., have changed a lot. I think environmental influences can be sometimes confused with genetics.

All smokers do not get lung cancer, all alcoholics don't get cirrhosis of the liver, but many do. I am sure changes have occurred in tobacco and alcohol products over the years, but not as much as with foods. There is not nearly the broad range between good and bad in tobacco and alcohol as their is with foods (carbs, fats, and proteins). Cokes vs sweet potatoes, hydrogenated vegetable oil vs olive oil, feed lot grain fed vs organic pastured animals, for example, not to mention the millions of variations of things we could end up eating. I think there is no "GOOD" science because it is not economically feasible to put on a study that would determine the cause. Some that could possibly finance such a thing though, don't want the money to stop rolling in they are making from the status quo not changing.

I think that reducing the junk we eat will greatly reduce the diabetes growth, even if genetically prone to get it. Nobody born with it, so something has to set it off.

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HIGH-FRUCTOSE CORN SYRUP
American scientists discovered a way to use enzymes to convert glucose in cornstarch to fructose; in 1967 Japanese scientist Yoshiyuki Takasaki created a cost-effective industrial process. Food companies loved the low cost and the ease with which liquid corn syrup could be dissolved into sodas.

Processed Foods History:
1910s to 1950s
https://modernpioneermom.com/2012/07...910s-to-1950s/
That is one of the biggest changes in processed foods, but is HFCS really any worse than the added sugar that it has replaced?

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Many millions of people, for decades, have eaten processed food and drank cow's milk and didn't get diabetes (T1 or T2). Mind you, I'm not defending the Standard American (or Canadian or Mexican or French or ... Diet) or drinking cow's milk. But the sheer numbers indicate there must be something more to it than the causes mentioned.
The same applies to smoking cigarettes. Millions of people, for decades, have be smoking like chimneys and don't get cancer. So are you going to tell me that smoking cigarettes doesn't cause lung cancer?

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I never said diet only causes diabetes. Genetics do not change quickly enough to blame what has happened in the last 75 years, but environmental changes have occurred. What we eat and drink, what we are exposed to - chemically, pharmaceutically, etc., have changed a lot. I think environmental influences can be sometimes confused with genetics.

All smokers do not get lung cancer, all alcoholics don't get cirrhosis of the liver, but many do. I am sure changes have occurred in tobacco and alcohol products over the years, but not as much as with foods. There is not nearly the broad range between good and bad in tobacco and alcohol as their is with foods (carbs, fats, and proteins). Cokes vs sweet potatoes, hydrogenated vegetable oil vs olive oil, feed lot grain fed vs organic pastured animals, for example, not to mention the millions of variations of things we could end up eating. I think there is no "GOOD" science because it is not economically feasible to put on a study that would determine the cause. Some that could possibly finance such a thing though, don't want the money to stop rolling in they are making from the status quo not changing.

I think that reducing the junk we eat will greatly reduce the diabetes growth, even if genetically prone to get it. Nobody born with it, so something has to set it off.
And all chickens that cross the road don't get hit by a car!

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No, I think he is saying drinking cows milk nor eating meat derived products is not the cause of diabetes. If you want to believe that it is, feel free to do so, but it doesn't make it so. Hey I still believe in Santa, why else would they be showing Christmas in July on the Hallmark Channel?

I can agree with some things the McDougalls and McGregors say, but when they start spouting off utter unsubstantiated nonsense like that or that you can keep your blood test in line on a pure twinkie diet if you don't eat too many, they instantly lose all credibility.

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