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Old 07-16-2018, 02:19   #41
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There are no magic "cures" no matter what anyone says.
There are no cures "magic" or otherwise, simply because.....like cancer......diabetes is different for every person. As you stated before, what works for one person, doesn't work for everybody else. What works for me, won't work for others, and vice-versa.
There are just way too many variables for anything to be "standardized" as far as diabetes is concerned.


As for the post on mineral issues with the soil.......

Mineral and vitamin deficiencies are easily rectified, if properly diagnosed as to what deficiencies one has. Deficiencies in the soil is also easily rectified, but farmers/food producers are too busy shoving money in their pockets to care about properly and correctly taking care of the soil they grow food crops in, or grow food stuff for livestock.

Yes, soils are overworked and "sucked dry" of nutrients, but thats because of the lethargy and greed of the growers and the companies who pay them. I come from a family of farmers, and it really doesn't take much to turn the soil and feed it properly between growing seasons or between growing crops.

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Default A couple theories on the cause of diabetes

I don't know if this is an accepted theory but I tend to think there is more than one way you can arrive at late onset high sugars. (Type 2)

I have a family member that is a biologist and he tells me there is research to suggest that stress in childhood genetically "switches on" diabetes. It manifests first as hypoglycemia which puts you on a long road to increasing IR and obesity. And then eventually your IR is so high that your pancreas can no longer keep up with the increasing demands upon it.

Another theory on the internet is that Diabetes is in fact two conditions. Increasing IR from elevated insulin levels assaulting the cells. Plus suppression of insulin output by the accumulation of fat around the pancreas. I cant speak to the second theory. But if true it offers the prospect of restoring normal pancreas output by losing weight.

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I do believe that there are genetic factors and environmental factors in type 2.

I probably lost 60 lbs after having an 8.8 A1c, however my BG control now is still not normal, I don't know if my pancreas output is "normal" but my BG levels come up to unacceptable levels if I eat "normal" levels of carbs.

Maybe the latter theory may work for some whose metabolic issues are caught early on, but it didn't work for me after definitely being beyond the type 2 pre-diabetic threshold. Unless you consider going low carb, loosing weight, staying low carb to get and keep my BG levels down to normal levels as fitting the description of restoring normal pancreas output. I guess if going from too much insulin production back to a lower insulin production, it might fit, but was it the weight loss or the carb loss?

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I don't think there was anything I could have done or my parents could have done when I was diagnosed with Type 1 back in 1966. It all started when I caught a cold and it just wouldn't go away - about a year later I was diagnosed with Type 1 before hitting my 5th birthday.
Now that I'm older and my hobbies have expanded (genealogy) I have discovered that one branch of my family right back to the early 1800s (from Kentucky and Ohio) had a habit of dieing from diabetes commas - both before and after the discovery of insulin.
So my educated guess - I inherited the genetic mutation from that side of the family. I suspect there wasn't much I could do to have prevented that.

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I think its very likely I may have a genetic component, too. As an adopted child I had no knowledge of my birth mother or father's medical history. Genealogy helped me too, I did the Ancestry DNA test and that provided me with family I had never known, and information about medical histories. On both sides, diabetes is rife. And it wasnt helped by my having struggled with being over weight all my life. I didnt become obese until I was well into my 40s and then 10 years later, there I was...

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And it wasnt helped by my having struggled with being over weight all my life. I didnt become obese until I was well into my 40s and then 10 years later, there I was...
The link between obesity and the incidence of Type 2 diabetes is questionable. The rates of incidence of T2 have increased significantly faster than the increase in the rates of those considered medically obese yet many overweight people never develop diabetes. And there are many "lean" diabetics.

There are many unknowns that muddle being able to draw a strong correlation between obesity and T2. For example, what kinds of diets were followed by those considered obese and are those food choices involved in developing T2? Is there a genetic component to obesity and does that factor into the incidence of diabetes? Too many questions to make a clear case for linking the two.

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I believe obesity to be a factor for some people, myself included. I know that when I lose a bit of weight, my BG is a lot more stable. I believe that if I lost the 60Kg I need to (and at my age am unlikely to) a whole lot of things would improve, not the least, my T2 status.

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What refutes the fat connection to diabetes is the nature of diabetes in Asia. Until recent years they have not had diets with large levels of sugar. And so diabetics did not fatten as do Americans.

There is a theory that diabetes has two causes: Insulin resistance + obesity. But obesity only WORSENS the underlying insulin resistance. And some say that the obesity also suppresses the output of the pancreas. So this is why you can have obese individuals that are not diabetic. And you can have diabetics that are skinny. So the initiator of diabetes is the insulin resistance that that results from high insulin output.

So the root question is what originates the high levels of insulin secretion that drives the insulin resistance. One theory that I mentioned is high levels of emotion in childhood.

In a way, diabetes seems a very logical disorder. Our bodies interprets stress as that most basic stressor, scarcity of food. So an individual stressed early in life will begin to store calories to deal with an uncertain food supply. And it does this by elevated level of insulin that store a more than normal amount of the carb calories we intake. And interestingly we don't store all types of calories. Rather we store the carbs that are abundant in summer, but scarce in the colder months. All of us have this natural device in our bodies to lay in reserves for the winter, to fatten during the summer, but in diabetics the device has gone to extremes under the pressure of much higher amounts of insulin release. And that is driven by emotion. My guess is that if you were to survey a large number of individuals on the levels of childhood stress, that you would find significant numbers of diabetics will have had stressful childhoods. I don't say this applies to all diabetics because we see a great variability, as if there were multiple causes of diabetes perhaps.

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Doctors commonly tell diabetics that if they would lose just ten pounds they would get an improvement in their diabetes. I always assumed they were saying that this ten pounds would dial you back to your status when you were ten pounds lighter. But a recent loss of 12 pounds has made me see this situation differently. A 12 pound loss did not just improve my diabetes a modest amount. It allowed me to get off my lantus insulin altogether. What explains this drastic improvement? What I read is that any time you lose weight your body responds with a logic. The first fat deposits removed are those within and around the liver and the pancreas. And these are the most harmful to us. And these deposits are implicated in the suppression of insulin output I spoke of earlier.

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Winomaster, did your 12-pound weight loss come from eating what you normally did, but with a caloric deficit, or did you increase or reduce any food group at the same time? Just trying to isolate variables....

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