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Chaidragonfire 10-06-2018 01:40

Keto - snapback effect
 
Went to the Dr. today for my regular diabetes checkup. Things look "normal" as far as diabetes is concerned.

I told my Dr. about starting to eat keto foods and lost 15 pounds in two months, and then all of a sudden I gained it all back.

He explained that keto is basically starving your fat cells of one kind of carb, and if you ever "cheat" or get off the total keto program, then the fat cells will reabsorb all of the carbs you eat, that you have not been eating.

He said most people can't keep to the total keto program, so they may lose a lot of weight at first, but as soon as they "cheat" or switch off the program for a week or two, all those carbs will be soaked up like a sponge by the starved fat cells.

He also said some people's systems just don't acknowledge keto foods, and they end up feeling like they are being starved altogether or become really sluggish and lethargic. Even though keto food may be better for diabetics, not all diabetics can handle the change or their systems may stagnate and make them sick.

In my case, I got the snapback............I lost 15 pounds, then apparently my body just snapped back to the way it was. The Dr. said this is also common. Even if you keep on keto, your body just doesn't acknowledge it and you can still gain weight or gain what you lost back.

So........I give up on the keto. I will still eat some of the keto recipes, because I like them, but other than that......it's not worth the effort if I'm just going to lose some weight and then gain it all back again.

:crying:

xring 10-06-2018 02:21

IMO, people who like Keto are so focused on the lower blood sugar numbers & weight loss, they don't consider any possible negative health issues.

smorgan 10-06-2018 09:15

Read:

https://www.virtahealth.com/

Basically, all that doctor said - aside from a bunch of pure hooey - is that is you stop adhering to it it stops working. Duh!

Starving fat cells? Having read many thousands of pages (including real data from real people at the above link), his statements simply have no foundation in reality. Shame.

mbuster 10-06-2018 12:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by xring (Post 1311547)
IMO, people who like Keto are so focused on the lower blood sugar numbers & weight loss, they don't consider any possible negative health issues.

You might want to reconsider your opinion. What would be the negative health issues of keto? What would be the negative health issues of high blood sugar and obesity? Put those answers in the pans of an equal arm balance (scales) Which pan do you think would slam to the ground?

mbuster 10-06-2018 12:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chaidragonfire (Post 1311541)
Went to the Dr. today for my regular diabetes checkup. Things look "normal" as far as diabetes is concerned.

I told my Dr. about starting to eat keto foods and lost 15 pounds in two months, and then all of a sudden I gained it all back.

He explained that keto is basically starving your fat cells of one kind of carb, and if you ever "cheat" or get off the total keto program, then the fat cells will reabsorb all of the carbs you eat, that you have not been eating.

He said most people can't keep to the total keto program, so they may lose a lot of weight at first, but as soon as they "cheat" or switch off the program for a week or two, all those carbs will be soaked up like a sponge by the starved fat cells.

He also said some people's systems just don't acknowledge keto foods, and they end up feeling like they are being starved altogether or become really sluggish and lethargic. Even though keto food may be better for diabetics, not all diabetics can handle the change or their systems may stagnate and make them sick.

In my case, I got the snapback............I lost 15 pounds, then apparently my body just snapped back to the way it was. The Dr. said this is also common. Even if you keep on keto, your body just doesn't acknowledge it and you can still gain weight or gain what you lost back.

So........I give up on the keto. I will still eat some of the keto recipes, because I like them, but other than that......it's not worth the effort if I'm just going to lose some weight and then gain it all back again.

:crying:

You might want to do some research on IF at ruledme or just google keto and intermittent fasting and check out Dr. Jason Fung

So when you say you lost 15 pounds and then gained it back, did you start eating more of a keto diet that started the weight loss, go off of it and back to your previous way of eating then gained back the weight? That would tell me that your normal diet may be the problem and not the keto. Not adding enough fats can make you feel hungry, not adding enough salt, can make you feel bad, on keto.

"Starving fat cells", does your doctor think you need to feed them? That makes as much sense as thinking there is a need to carry around a suitcase full of clothes with you in the house in case you might need to change. The fat cells are storage for energy needs when food is not readily available. If carbs were truly a better source of energy they would be stored as glucose and not converted to triglycerides and stored as fats. There is a limited storage for glucose as glycogen for sudden energy needs while the biggest source of energy is stored as fats.

mbuster 10-06-2018 19:09

@smorgan, is there supposed to a specific article at your link?

Chaidragonfire 10-06-2018 23:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by xring (Post 1311547)
IMO, people who like Keto are so focused on the lower blood sugar numbers & weight loss, they don't consider any possible negative health issues.


My doctor also mentioned this. He say's he gets at least 5 questions a day on people wanting to know about Keto.

Like diabetes affects everybody differently, Keto does the same thing. But he said it is the best way for diabetics to eat, but not if it isn't working for them....they can do more harm than good.

Chaidragonfire 10-07-2018 00:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by mbuster (Post 1311561)
You might want to do some research on IF at ruledme or just google keto and intermittent fasting and check out Dr. Jason Fung

So when you say you lost 15 pounds and then gained it back, did you start eating more of a keto diet that started the weight loss, go off of it and back to your previous way of eating then gained back the weight? That would tell me that your normal diet may be the problem and not the keto. Not adding enough fats can make you feel hungry, not adding enough salt, can make you feel bad, on keto.

"Starving fat cells", does your doctor think you need to feed them? That makes as much sense as thinking there is a need to carry around a suitcase full of clothes with you in the house in case you might need to change. The fat cells are storage for energy needs when food is not readily available. If carbs were truly a better source of energy they would be stored as glucose and not converted to triglycerides and stored as fats. There is a limited storage for glucose as glycogen for sudden energy needs while the biggest source of energy is stored as fats.


Well, I was losing weight on eating the soups and stews I was making. Then I got tired of them and started eating stuff like keto pizza and keto lasagna, and a couple of keto casseroles...........thats when I gained the weight back. I also tried the grain-free bread a couple of times for sandwiches, but that was very expensive, so I only did that a couple of times.

Although I do like the keto soups and stews a lot, I don't like them enough to eat ONLY them and nothing else.

mbuster 10-07-2018 01:31

I don't guess I've ever eaten a bite of keto soups or stews, except maybe chili. I eat keto and have a pretty broad base of things that I eat.

I'd be interested in what those negative health issues are with keto. I'd really be interested if it was coming from a doctor that actually knew much about nutrition.

xring 10-07-2018 02:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by mbuster (Post 1311559)
You might want to reconsider your opinion. What would be the negative health issues of keto? What would be the negative health issues of high blood sugar and obesity? Put those answers in the pans of an equal arm balance (scales) Which pan do you think would slam to the ground?

I usually don't like to respond because it causes conflict & makes some people angry to hear that something they're doing and have faith in may be causing harm, but...
A guy in my diabetes support group also sang the praises of Keto & he lost around 20 lbs. At his first doctor visit, his doctor said his labs were fine & that the weight loss was good.
A few months later, his doctor raised hell at his labs & asked, "What the hell are you doing?" He explained the keto & his doctor said, to stop because "you're losing a few pounds & your blood sugar is lower...at the expense of your kidney function & you won't like life without kidneys." He also said he didn't like the "uric acid" level in his blood (whatever that is) & said if he suffered kidney stones, he'd never forget the experience.
He stopped the diet & gained back some of the weight. IMO, if he cut out the Cheerios & Diet Pepsi, he might lose weight.

Personally....I lost 85 lbs. 9 years ago & my A1c went from 9 (at diagnosis) to 6.0 with normal blood sugar by following Dr. Joel Fuhrman's "Eat to Live" program. It's basically increasing vegetables & limiting processed carbs and meat. Fruit - 3-4 servings/day but only raw, unpeeled & unprocessed.
I still follow it & haven't gained back any weight, so it works for me.
If Keto works for you, go for it.


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