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Old 11-27-2018, 20:34   #1
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Just a heads up. When something sounds too good to be true, it usually is.
I found a good deal on Amazon - 200 "One Touch Verio" test strips for $54.00 - about half the usual price. They came in the usual blue factory box with a factory seal & the expiration dates ranged from 6-2019 to 5-2020. The original seller is "Surplus Diabetics."

The first strip I used after Thanksgiving dinner indicated 487. I expected to be a little high after a couple of bites of pie, but not that high. I tested again a few seconds later with a strip from a different batch - 325. Luckily I didn't dose insulin based on that first reading.
The next day, I tested a few times with strips from that same batch & got a reading of 512, 450, 287. An hour later, 130. I returned all the strips for a refund.

I don't know where the company is getting these strips, but I wouldn't use them - way too risky.

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Thanks for the heads-up.

I see advertisements on Web sites like craigslist and alternative weekly newspapers and maybe even local TV stations for companies which will buy strips left over from a different meter, from an older relative with diabetes who passed away, etc. I suspect "Surplus Diabetics" is one such firm.

As a source for low-priced strips, there's something to be said for their "redeployment" model of business. But it's so difficult to control the conditions under which the strips have been kept by the person selling them to "Surplus" and I'm guessing "Surplus" doesn't know or concern itself much with how the strips are stored or shipped while in their care, leading you to the situation you experienced. If you have to use two or three strips to be confident in the reading you're getting, are you saving any money? And, as you pointed out, dosing yourself based on a reading you don't know you can trust can be dangerous. As the Romans used to say, caveat emptor!

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This is what concerns me about the Diabetes Management Industry - how much testing or quality assurance does a company do before it's product goes to market ? All sorts of products get recalled because of defects (including pumps) but things like glucometers, strips and batches of insulin - I usually do the old cross your fingers and hope for the best. I suppose defects don't likely happen too much otherwise we would all be hearing about it. Still a concern however!


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This is what concerns me about the Diabetes Management Industry - how much testing or quality assurance does a company do before it's product goes to market ? All sorts of products get recalled because of defects (including pumps) but things like glucometers, strips and batches of insulin - I usually do the old cross your fingers and hope for the best. I suppose defects don't likely happen too much otherwise we would all be hearing about it. Still a concern however!
Actually, we don't usually hear about it because they are well-guarded secrets due to the financial relationships involved.

A friend of mine worked at a diabetes call center. At the time, many patients called in about serious problems with their pumps & continuous glucose monitors; I think they were the "Medtronic" brand. There was a recall on the pumps but the company supervisors instructed all their employees NOT to EVER mention that there was a recall or they would be fired on the spot. They wanted to profit on all the pumps & monitors they had to sell - probably on orders from the manufacturer. My friend didn't like that because lives were at risk & she tried to warn patients secretly but she didn't know the calls were being monitored & she was fired.
I have experienced the same while working in retail firearms & sporting goods. There is NO limit to fraud where money is involved & the medical industry is the worst.

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From a retail standpoint, as I worked many sects of retail for more than 20 years.....



The term "surplus" can mean a variety of things:

*the items in question were over produced and some were sold off to alleviate the cost of having to store them until sold

*the item produced was upgraded or changed and the remaining stock was sold off at a discount

*the item produced was discontinued and remaining stock was sold off or "deep discounted"

*the production company gives certain sellers percentage discounts for buying specific quantities, and these sellers can be "surplus" sellers or "discount" sellers

*the items in question could have "fallen off the back of a truck", if you know what I mean (wink, wink)

*the items in question could be left over stock from other stores that have gone out of business or liquidated their inventories

*private sellers, like ebay and craigslist, get their stock from many different sources - the factories having special discount rates for new customers, buying from liquidation centers, garage sales, estate sales, "warehouse" stores, and even from buying off of medical personnel who steal these items and sell them for money


Now........all that being said.........you HAVE to watch out for these things -

*if the product is "Made in China", then it has had no Quality Control (QC). China pumps out what they produce, period. Doesn't matter if it works or not, is damaged or not, or is even half-assed made or not. They stuff it in a package and ship it off.

*because China has no QC on anything they produce, they can pump out quite a bit of garbage.......product that is useless, doesn't work right, or is actually dangerous to the consumer


If you don't know what QC is......the proper definition is "Quality control is a process through which a business seeks to ensure that product quality is maintained or improved with either reduced or zero errors".

All of these companies that got up and moved their businesses to China for production reasons, also got rid of Quality Control and Quality Assurance in favor of more money in the corporate exec's pockets. And because China apparently does not have any laws governing quality control on products made.

You have to watch what you buy. You have to make sure to remember, if you are buying products from China, that there is a 90% chance they will be defective or inferior products. Which is why I try very hard to never buy anything made in China.

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Actually, we don't usually hear about it because they are well-guarded secrets due to the financial relationships involved.

A friend of mine worked at a diabetes call center. At the time, many patients called in about serious problems with their pumps & continuous glucose monitors; I think they were the "Medtronic" brand. There was a recall on the pumps but the company supervisors instructed all their employees NOT to EVER mention that there was a recall or they would be fired on the spot. They wanted to profit on all the pumps & monitors they had to sell - probably on orders from the manufacturer. My friend didn't like that because lives were at risk & she tried to warn patients secretly but she didn't know the calls were being monitored & she was fired.
I have experienced the same while working in retail firearms & sporting goods. There is NO limit to fraud where money is involved & the medical industry is the worst.
I'd be highly surprised if the order to not mention there's an issue came from the Medtronics company. I have worked there as an external and one of the things they wanted to make known to their employees, was that they were making a difference in people's lives. They were promoting direct contact with their end clients (not just diabetics but they also make other medical stuff for spinal operations and such) and in general a very open and client oriented atmosphere. Unless it's a US versus Europe thing, I'd be highly surprised if they were purposely withholding such information.

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Actually, we don't usually hear about it because they are well-guarded secrets due to the financial relationships involved.

A friend of mine worked at a diabetes call center. At the time, many patients called in about serious problems with their pumps & continuous glucose monitors; I think they were the "Medtronic" brand. There was a recall on the pumps but the company supervisors instructed all their employees NOT to EVER mention that there was a recall or they would be fired on the spot. They wanted to profit on all the pumps & monitors they had to sell - probably on orders from the manufacturer. My friend didn't like that because lives were at risk & she tried to warn patients secretly but she didn't know the calls were being monitored & she was fired.
I have experienced the same while working in retail firearms & sporting goods. There is NO limit to fraud where money is involved & the medical industry is the worst.

Your friend could have sued for this. Filing a complaint with the FDA, FBI, and the unemployment office would have gotten the "ball" rolling on this.

Your friend could have also gone to any local new station to report this.

But the sad thing is, this is "standard" protocol when dealing with corrupt companies. And believe it or not, 99.99% of all companies are corrupt. I've seen too much of it from working in the retail industry and working in corporate exec offices over the many years I've been working.


The corporate mentality in the USA is...........

If nobody has complained to the PROPER authorities about it, if no one has sued over it, if no one has gone public with the info, then there is nothing wrong going on (until they get caught).



The consumer mentality is, that if they are caught and sued, or forced to shell out money to victims or consumers, or forced into recall status....that the company has "learned it's lesson". That is SO FAR from the truth, there is no word to describe it. Corporate greed and avarice has no bounds.

Look at Sears and JCPenny........they claim they are "going under", yet the corporate levels don't DO anything on their part to make sure the companies are secure. They cut retail jobs and close stores instead of cutting execs wages in half, obliterating corporate "perks", and downsizing corporate management.

They don't care. They will run their companies into the ground, use, abuse, and lie about everything they can to get that almighty dollar.
It sounds defeatist and "negative", but it is the truth.

The ONLY way you can "teach" a company any respect for consumers is if you don't buy anything that company makes. You hurt their wallets, they will listen. But people are too lazy today. Everybody complains, but nobody stands up and does anything anymore.

So, new companies see these older corrupt companies as business models, and they proceed to run their businesses the same way. It's a disease on the business and consumer world.

The only way you can fight against it for yourself, is do research on anything you need or want to buy. LOTS of research. Research on products before purchase is the only thing that may save anyone nowadays.

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Your friend could have sued for this. Filing a complaint with the FDA, FBI, and the unemployment office would have gotten the "ball" rolling on this.

Your friend could have also gone to any local new station to report this.

But the sad thing is, this is "standard" protocol when dealing with corrupt companies. And believe it or not, 99.99% of all companies are corrupt. I've seen too much of it from working in the retail industry and working in corporate exec offices over the many years I've been working.


The corporate mentality in the USA is...........

If nobody has complained to the PROPER authorities about it, if no one has sued over it, if no one has gone public with the info, then there is nothing wrong going on (until they get caught).



The consumer mentality is, that if they are caught and sued, or forced to shell out money to victims or consumers, or forced into recall status....that the company has "learned it's lesson". That is SO FAR from the truth, there is no word to describe it. Corporate greed and avarice has no bounds.

Look at Sears and JCPenny........they claim they are "going under", yet the corporate levels don't DO anything on their part to make sure the companies are secure. They cut retail jobs and close stores instead of cutting execs wages in half, obliterating corporate "perks", and downsizing corporate management.

They don't care. They will run their companies into the ground, use, abuse, and lie about everything they can to get that almighty dollar.
It sounds defeatist and "negative", but it is the truth.

The ONLY way you can "teach" a company any respect for consumers is if you don't buy anything that company makes. You hurt their wallets, they will listen. But people are too lazy today. Everybody complains, but nobody stands up and does anything anymore.

So, new companies see these older corrupt companies as business models, and they proceed to run their businesses the same way. It's a disease on the business and consumer world.

The only way you can fight against it for yourself, is do research on anything you need or want to buy. LOTS of research. Research on products before purchase is the only thing that may save anyone nowadays.
I had several arguments with her because she let them get away with it. That's just the type of person she is - always avoiding any type of conflict, regardless of who it hurts. I'm the exact opposite - NOBODY screws me over & if they try, I make sure they're sorry.

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I had several arguments with her because she let them get away with it. That's just the type of person she is - always avoiding any type of conflict, regardless of who it hurts. I'm the exact opposite - NOBODY screws me over & if they try, I make sure they're sorry.

Unfortunately too many people are like that, and thats why companies get away with "murder".

I've got a friend I'm trying to make a bit tougher and teaching him how to be more of a harda**. He's always been the type people walk all over, and I won't have any of that.

After 5 years, he's finally starting to get a callous on his social issues and tell people off when they try to walk all over him nowadays. I'm very proud.


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