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Old 05-11-2012, 16:16   #1
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This is revolting...a way to make a victim pay for big Ag's promotion with their health...am I nuts?

FDA Panel Favors Arena Obesity Drug - WSJ.com




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This is revolting...a way to make a victim pay for big Ag's promotion with their health...am I nuts?

FDA Panel Favors Arena Obesity Drug - WSJ.com
No, the world is just irrational in the strictest sense of the word. Some people would prefer to eat horribly and pop a pill to offset the risk, while some prefer to just try and eat healthy from the get go. I'd wager there are people on these boards who if given the chance would dive into a lake of Pepsi and suck it dry if they could take a pill and mitigate or eliminate any consequences.

Everyone has different priorities.

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What I really hate is that we are being given false information that makes us fat and I firmly believe most people don't have a clue as to what is causing it. So, big pharma is rushing to the rescue and of course the gains to be made there and people will try it and potentially lose their health in the process...or at least endanger it with no hint of what they are doing to themselves. Clearly carbs are the culprit, but most people don't hear the voices crying out in the 'wilderness' who do know and are trying so hard to be heard.

Rant over for the time being, maybe!




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We live in a fast paced society and everyone wants a pill to make life better. I think what bothers me is the benefits outweigh the risks. How about losing weight the natural way with no risks.

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What I really hate is that we are being given false information that makes us fat and I firmly believe most people don't have a clue as to what is causing it. So, big pharma is rushing to the rescue and of course the gains to be made there and people will try it and potentially lose their health in the process...or at least endanger it with no hint of what they are doing to themselves. Clearly carbs are the culprit, but most people don't hear the voices crying out in the 'wilderness' who do know and are trying so hard to be heard.

Rant over for the time being, maybe!
Not to forget the food industry. I think it is a bigger culprit than the pharma.

Fighting one evil with another (obesity vs pills) is never a good idea.

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Not to forget the food industry. I think it is a bigger culprit than the pharma.

Fighting one evil with another (obesity vs pills) is never a good idea.
I had already mentioned Big AG and I couldn't agree more! It appears that both are hand in hand, maybe not on purpose, but still holding hands.




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Not to forget the food industry. I think it is a bigger culprit than the pharma.

Fighting one evil with another (obesity vs pills) is never a good idea.
Minor quibble

The expressions "food industry" and "big pharma" used in the same sentence constitute a tautology! They are the same animal!

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I want to know where personal responsibility comes in. I know people have difficulty losing weight, sometimes. But that is because they do temporary diets that they give up way too soon. I think if people only gave up grains for a year or so they would see huge amounts of weight loss. Although I was not really overweight at diagnosis I gave up grains to lower bgs and 30 pounds just melted off. We have all these dieticians preaching a diet that doesn't work but they keep prescribing it. How many of us know people who went to Weight Watchers lost the weight and regained more and start the WW again. It is a viscious cycle. Where if they changed their WAY OF EATING for life they would maintain that weight loss. People would much rather take meds and still eat all the carby junk food. I saw on our local news yesterday a story about how Social Services took an 8 year old boy away from his mom because he weighed over 200 pounds. They just returned him to her since he lost 50 pounds. He still weighs 160 pounds at the age of 9. How can a parent not realise that your 8 year old is that heavy. They take animals away from people who mistreat them but we let parents do anything they want.

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I want to know where personal responsibility comes in. I know people have difficulty losing weight, sometimes. But that is because they do temporary diets that they give up way too soon. I think if people only gave up grains for a year or so they would see huge amounts of weight loss. Although I was not really overweight at diagnosis I gave up grains to lower bgs and 30 pounds just melted off. We have all these dieticians preaching a diet that doesn't work but they keep prescribing it. How many of us know people who went to Weight Watchers lost the weight and regained more and start the WW again. It is a viscious cycle. Where if they changed their WAY OF EATING for life they would maintain that weight loss. People would much rather take meds and still eat all the carby junk food. I saw on our local news yesterday a story about how Social Services took an 8 year old boy away from his mom because he weighed over 200 pounds. They just returned him to her since he lost 50 pounds. He still weighs 160 pounds at the age of 9. How can a parent not realise that your 8 year old is that heavy. They take animals away from people who mistreat them but we let parents do anything they want.
You said it!

My OH spent some time as a vegetarian and found she started putting on weight. One of the approaches she tried to correct the issue was Weight Watchers.

She took the concept of the points system on board and built her daily diet strictly in accordance with their rules. She did exercise quite a bit but decided not to use her exercise points to further augment her lunch box.

She couldn't lose weight. Her overseer suggested:
  1. She wasn't following the diet.
  2. If she was, she wasn't calculating her points correctly
  3. Finally, she needed to use her exercise points - her body was over compensating.
I got the profit of all this trial and error on Judy's part. By August 2010, she knew EXACTLY what worked. Like you I shed 30 pounds without really trying! We both stick to the reduced carb routine and we both have very respectable waistlines - and we're keeping them that way!

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The point I was trying to make in my previous post is that the failure of the diet HAD to be Judy's fault - There was no question that the DIET could be wrong or based on a faulty concept!!

Next time, I'll try and get to the point in the same post! It's my age, you see!

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