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Old 09-26-2011, 20:53   #1
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Hello to everyone, whats the skinny on coconut oil, why use it what does it do? Some one said he ate it??

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Google MCTs (medium-chain triglycerides) and read about one of its fantastic main ingredients.

Also: lauric acid - a great fatty acid found basically in two places, coconut oil and human mother's milk!

Finally, just try frying some stuff in it or whipping it into espresso with heavy cream! Mmmm.

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Diabetes: MCTs can cause certain chemicals called ketones to build up in the body. This can be a problem for people with diabetes. Avoid using MCTs if you have diabetes.


This came from webmd and found similar verbiage elsewhere. Ketons are no good for us. Does anyone experienced it while on coconut oil. Just trying to get more educated on the topic before I start with it.

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Coconut Oil is fantastic for diabetics. It is a medium chained fatty acid , the same kind that is found in mothers milk. It has all sorts of beneficial properties to lowering bad cholesterol, raising your HDL, upping your metabolism so you lose weight. But the best thing I have found is it stabalises my bgs in between meals. It comes in a jar, in a solid form. It melts at 78 degrees. I use it similar to olive oil. I put a spoonful in my frying pan for eggs or veggies. If I am baking and it calls for butter or oil, I use CO instead. Some people stir it in their morning coffee. I have added it to my morning smoothies. But the best thing about it is making Peanut Butter chocolate fudge ( MCS's recipe).

There is a huge difference between being in DKA with very high bgs and using a ketogenic diet and buring fat for energy and producing ketones and keeping your bgs close to 100. It is not dangerous.

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Diabetes: MCTs can cause certain chemicals called ketones to build up in the body. This can be a problem for people with diabetes. Avoid using MCTs if you have diabetes.


This came from webmd and found similar verbiage elsewhere. Ketons are no good for us. Does anyone experienced it while on coconut oil. Just trying to get more educated on the topic before I start with it.

The people who said this are confused. Specifically, they have confused a healthy state called "ketosis" with a dangerous and potentially lethal state common mainly among type one diabetics called "diabetic ketoacidosis".

Although they share one attribute - the presence of ketones in the blood, they have little else in common and are rather like OPPOSITE conditions which come out of opposite precursors and have opposite health effects. It is easy enough to google those two terms and find more educated people explaining the vast differences between the two.

Ketosis (the healthy one) comes about when dietary carbs are restricted. This depletes the glycogen stores in the liver and means very, very little glucose is coming from the digestive tract. With glucose no longer available (from either the digestive tract real-time or from the glycogen stores), most of the cells in the body SWITCH to using with FFAs or ketones as their primary energy source instead of glucose.

This includes very important cells like the heart, muscles and brain which actually function better on ketones then they do on glucose (especially the heart). It also alleviates the early stages of Alzheimer's disease where it is now widely believed that the cause of brain-nerve deterioration is glucose-starvation similar to other body cells with insulin resistance (a different "insulin resistance" on the part of these critical nerve cells). Since these critical cells ARE able to switch to ketones (which unlike FFAs are able to cross the blood/brain barrier), they remain fueled and healthy. This is very important to me with both a parent and a grandparent who died of Alzheimer's.

DKA, quite the contrary, comes about under conditions of very low insulin along with extremely high blood sugar. The most common cause is un-diagnosed T1 or T1s cut off from their insulin. It can also happen with extremely poorly controlled T2s. It never happens when blood sugar is normal except for a rare anomalous case involving extreme starvation. Aside from that, if your blood sugars are not very high (at least over 220, but mostly over 300), there is no chance of entering DKA, ketones or no ketones.

I live with ample ketones in my blood at all times. They are an alternative to glucose for 95% of my body's cells allowing me to simply circumvent my insulin resistance instead of fighting with it. This keeps me very healthy and my BG completely normal without any need for medications or insulin. Also, the maximum levels of ketones which can be formed using carb restriction are WAY below the dangerous levels found in DKA. In other words, YOU CAN'T GET THERE FROM HERE.

Far from being "dangerous", ketones under these conditions are a veritable life-saver and really make BG control easy.

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Well, thanks I have a lot to learn, I see. And judging from the many responses- I am willing to trust you guys more than my md or web. Going to wholefoods tomorrow :-)

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Well, thanks I have a lot to learn, I see. And judging from the many responses- I am willing to trust you guys more than my md or web. Going to wholefoods tomorrow :-)
Wonderful! Another myth debunked. One victim at a time. Congratulations.

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I just regret that i did not commit myself to more research following the initial success and missed all the good advice and support I get here.

Sad- going back to work on Wed, 12-14 hours laden with stress are not making me healthier.

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I just regret that i did not commit myself to more research following the initial success and missed all the good advice and support I get here.

Sad- going back to work on Wed, 12-14 hours laden with stress are not making me healthier.
In my experience, a tbsp of coconut oil in the morning also gives me incredible energy and stamina to make it through that kind of day. I hope you find the same benefit.

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Good luck on Monday, and you are getting good advice. Ketones don't hurt you...it really helps your appetite lower.

I'll see you next week...hope this week goes well for you.




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