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Old 11-23-2012, 02:48   #1
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Not sure of what triggers an insulin response in me. It seems like there are times I tend to stay right where I am, low or high (in the 80-140 mg/dL in my case). I don't always seem to gravitate toward a fixed number that my body always looks for.

I eat ultra low carb and am in ketosis. I don't vary much from what I eat week to week. I don't normally ever cheat on my diet. If anything, I have been guilty of too much protein. I don't usually make exceptions to low carb when eating out.

I decided yesterday at lunch to just skip lunch and just test until supper time. Any opinions would be appreciated, because I don't understand why I seem to stay in the ballpark of where I am and if there is any home testing that I might need to do to verify. Its like I have a very large deadband around my bodies setpoint for BG regulation.

Yesterday's numbers thru tonight:
  • 04:35 FBG 117
  • Had bkfst of egg & cheese omelet and HF coffee
  • Went for 3.6 mile walk <hour
  • Didn't test after bkfst/before walk
  • 07:42 BG 116
  • 09:41 BG 112
  • Made appointment to take horses to the vet for coggins testing and annual vaccinations.
  • Decided not to eat lunch and watch my BG. only drank water.
  • 14:17 BG 108 (Tested old mare when vet was drawing blood 66 -darn)
  • 15:30 BG 103
  • 16:21 BG 103
  • Rode bike 10.8 mile <hour
  • 17:37 BG 111
  • Ate supper boiled shrimp, broccoli, cheese, cream cheese, spring green salad
  • 19:37 BG 111 1 hour PP
  • 20:35 BG 111 2 hour PP
  • Had a "sugar cookie" forum recipe and cup of green tea
  • Jumped in shower
  • 21:45 left for work, too big a hurry to test and didn't take tester with me
  • 02:00 Ate 4-5 slices thin cut roast beef, cheese, walnuts
  • 06:30 Chewed a piece of sugar free gum
  • 07:36 BG 158 when I get home
  • Don't normally chew gum except when knowing I'm going to be walking or bike riding more than an hour and don't usually see much reaction. Didn't chew gum on bike ride last night.
  • Ate 3 slices bacon had 2 shots Patron and went to bed
  • 14:38 FBG 118
  • 17:32 BG 99
  • Ate Thanksgiving supper at in-laws dark turkey, broccoli, cheese, cream cheese, spring greens salad, forum recipe pecan pie.
  • 18:57 BG 106 1 hour PP
  • 20:32 BG 125 2.5 hour PP

Any thoughts of why I don't keep inching down to 70-80? When there, I seem to stay there unless I goof up or get sick or stressed.

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your body makes BG from protien. what was the "sugar cookie" do you eat like this all the time? your liver can do glucose dumps but it will run out if not refueled.

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Sugar cookie was from recipe on this forum. I am and have been in Ketosis for about 6 months except when I got sick 2-3 months ago. Ketostyx showed nothing for 3 or 4 days, but show solidly in since then.

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I have had dumps and am aware of eating too much protein. I've seen dump that bump up BG. You think I got a slow leak? LOL

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Same kinda thing happens to me, but clearly when I've been "bad" for a few days and have jacked up my glycogen stores.

In ketosis I would respond better.

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The only I could suggest is get a full hormone panel done along with a 24hr saliva test for cortisol and insulin, correct any numbers not in line. Don't forget to do DHEA as well. You could look into aspirin therapy, google aspirin and diabetes. I worked my way up from 1(325mgz) a day to 6 a day over a months time, the results were dramatic for me.

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Since the 20:32 BG 125 PP
21:42 BG 122
Cup of HF coffee
22:57 BG 102
02:34 BG 101
05:47 BG 100
06:00 Put off eating my supper time meal at work

Overall I'd say Thanksgiving dinner did good, but still not dropping like I think it ought to

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My latest experience, for what it's worth. I was experiencing a higher overall BG level for a couple weeks prior to getting ill. I had no symptoms as such, so was rather confused. Nothing above my 120 personal ceiling, but, still, was troubling.

Now, a few weeks beyond the worst of the illness, my BGs are coming back to what has been "normal" for me.

D doesn't play fair, that's all I can say!

Edit: Yes, the aspirin does help lower BG. I don't take it constantly, but when I do have it for a few days in a row my BG drops about 10 pts overall.

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I'm sorry if I missed it somewhere, but what's your fat-carb-protein ratio? As diabetes86 said, protein turns into glucose, so if you have a low fat/high protein ration, maybe that's causing it.

When I started lowering my carbs, I tried to keep fat low because we've all had it drummed into us that fat is bad, but my numbers improved when I lowered protein and increased fat.

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I need to start tracking ratios. I have scales but BH is not going to weigh/measure and I'm not always there for preparation. 1/2 tsp or whole tbsp butter in my veggies I don't know unless I put it in. My bfst is always coffee with very close to 4 tbsp coconut oil and 9 or 10 tbsp heavy cream. 1 egg scrambled/omelet or 2 fried and 3-4 pieces of bacon. 3 if big and 4 if small. Scrambled eggs/omelet have heavy whipping cream and cheddar cheese. Time for bed.

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I'm guessing but feel very close to 70% fat calories for an average day. I'll try to remember to look on the Berkley heart health web site where I entered food I ate one day this evening when I get up. They had a calculator.

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