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Old 05-07-2014, 12:08   #1
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Does anyone have experience with fatty liver and the LCHF diet? My doctor mentioned my elevated liver enzymes are probably due to fatty liver and I've noticed a bit of a dull ache in my upper right abdomen, which I suspect is my liver. Everything I've read said to cut fat out of the diet to treat fatty liver, but of course, that's not happening with the LCHF diet, which I've now been on for about three weeks.

I'm past the low carb flu, which did last a week or so, and feel pretty good now other than this dull ache.

I'm very overweight, have been losing, thankfully, and I used to drink a lot of alcohol which I have stopped 100%, but I fear I may be making the fatty liver worse in the short term due to the high fat.

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You probably want to research this. However, my understanding is that this myth about high-fat diet causing fatty liver is completely bogus. Just the opposite, it is a high-glucose and especially high-fructose diet is that does that.

What do they feed those geese in order to induce fatty liver which the French love to eat? Hint: It ain't fat.

I'd start by eliminating fructose absolutely from you diet. Also, cut foods which produce glucose (carbs and protein) to the necessary only. This has been shown to alleviate fatty liver and, of course, since we're not talking about starving here, it entails eating a lot more fat to replace the carbs and protein which have been reduced energy-wise.

So, once again, it appears that what most doctors are telling us is absolutely and 180 degrees incorrect. But, I've not had this problem as far as I know, so its not at the top of my research priorities - though I definitely run into it a lot - so you should do your own research. Scientific research is often years ahead of the medical profession and in this and other cases, has led to diametrically opposed conclusions.

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What do they feed those geese in order to induce fatty liver which the French love to eat? Hint: It ain't fat.
Just in case Salim's hint wasn't enough - I'll spoil the surprise - the answer is "corn".

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Thanks - I did not know it was corn, but now that doesn't surprise me. :-)

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Yes, the process involves force feeding - they stick a funnel in the poor duck's bill and shovel corn in. The duck either chokes or swallows it. Normally the latter.

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Yes, the process involves force feeding - they stick a funnel in the poor duck's bill and shovel corn in. The duck either chokes or swallows it. Normally the latter.
Some humans just give us normal omnivores a bad name!

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oooo! oooooo! oooooo! (waves hand wildly in the air) I can do that one!!

I got really interested in this soon after DX. Spent hours on pubmed reading studies.

If you want to have NAFLD, include corn oil in your daily diet. Human and rat studies showed the same pattern: cleave to corn oil and your liver will be aching in no time.

Fructose is implicated strongly. Sugar is implicated in some studies.

Studies with LCHF and SAD, LCHF lost the race: less fatty liver (SAD had much more).

Eat HCHF - you are in serious trouble.

Losing weight usually leads to reduction of visceral fat = reduction of NAFLD. Losing weight via LC/LCHF the reduction is usually faster than just restricting calories.

The part that got me reading for hours was this (and I am highly simplifying):

NAFLD = visceral fat = fatty pancreas disease (and other organs like heart and lungs under stress) = metabolic syndrome = (in most test subjects) diabetes

Or, putting that another way. Several studies have come right out and said NAFPD damages beta cells and is causative of some flavors of T2.

(Oh, and Salim - there is a connection between MG and NAFLD/NAFPD! Medical science may really be narrowing down towards something fundamental and critical to one of the causes.)

Moderators, I know, I know I just talked about a bunch of studies I read over the last five months. I need to post supporting links. I will go hunting for the specific studies. But, while I search, if you go to pubmed and search on 'NAFPD diabetes' and 'NAFLD diabetes', prepare to be amazed.

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LOL thanks Nancy.

What do SAD and MG mean? I thought SAD was seasonally affected depression and MG was monosodium glutamate.

DX I'm guessing is diagnosis.

Is there a place that explains all these abbreviations?

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SAD = Standard American Diet
MG = (hope you are sitting down for this one) .... Methylglyoxal
(something that came up in another thread a few days ago - not required knowledge for day-to-day diabetic life )

Link to the abbreviations sticky

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