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Old 11-21-2011, 16:07   #11
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There are no tests for type 2 diabetes to test for the disease itself. It is a diagnosis of symptoms, insulin resistantance from C-peptide, elevated BG levels, etc. Once you get your BG level back to normal and you over come IR, other than an GTT tests which again would be a symptom of the disease. They have isolated several genetic markers which would indicate the possibility of getting the disease.

Myself I have no outwardly signs of the disease any more, no neuropathy, no high BG levels, no urination problems, or any other symptoms of the disease, my A1C is 4.6. By all medical standards I do not have a problem with Diabetes any more, but should I break from my routine, it would certainly rear its ugly head.

No diabetes *anymore*! That's interesting. So, you had high BG levels, and managed to lower them? Does your routine include medications or diet/exercise? You say if you broke your routine you would go back to diabetes ( i think ). This is very interesting regarding the nature of beta cell destruction or response.

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I was Dxed with a FBG of 350 after a week of no carbs, (slim jims and hard boiled eggs). I had severe weight loss, visibly lost muscle in my arms and legs. I suffered a MRSA infection and yeast over my entire body. DKA twice before being Dxed. I had neuropathy so bad in my hands I could barely drive a car let alone work at my job. I had to tape popsicle sticks to all of my fingers and wear wrist braces on both wrists to even work. Both feet had neuro., suffered leg cramps, I had a bleed in my left eye. Two years ago I had a quadruple by-pass. I was circling the drain a few times.

I do not take any meds now except for Lisinopril for BP. I keep my BG levels normal thru diet exercise and herbs and supps

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I was Dxed with a FBG of 350 after a week of no carbs, (slim jims and hard boiled eggs). I had severe weight loss, visibly lost muscle in my arms and legs. I suffered a MRSA infection and yeast over my entire body. DKA twice before being Dxed. I had neuropathy so bad in my hands I could barely drive a car let alone work at my job. I had to tape popsicle sticks to all of my fingers and wear wrist braces on both wrists to even work. Both feet had neuro., suffered leg cramps, I had a bleed in my left eye. Two years ago I had a quadruple by-pass. I was circling the drain a few times.

I do not take any meds now except for Lisinopril for BP. I keep my BG levels normal thru diet exercise and herbs and supps
Wow! So I guess your pancreas was still working well but interrupted? How did your doctor explain this -- it goes against most medical authorities. But I am happy for you.

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I took each one of my problems as a single problem and researched what supps or herbals to take to improve a particular system. Neuro, digestion, IR, Insulin release, GLP-1, etc. There is a lot more to elevated BG levels than not enough insulin. Your body releases glucose from your liver as soon as your brain intercepts a signal that something is wrong, unrelated to carb consumption. Inflammation, illness, injury, stress, etc., all will send a signal to your brain that repair is in order so it signals your liver to excrete glucose. If your signaling systems is out of whack then you will have elevated BG levels, (which most T2's have). I once had a threshold of 150 in the mornings before my pancreas would release insulin, I tested this thru fasting in the morning. Now my FBG is low and I make it stays there by consuming coffee, with 4g of sugar, 4 packets of art sweetener, heavy cream and coconut oil. It facilitates a GLP-1 release which prompts your pancreas to release insulin and your liver to stop leaking glucose. After a breakfast of fake oatmeal (Almond meal and Flaxseed) my BG level is 74 before I go eat lunch and I am hungry for sure.

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My wife has been pre-diabetic since the birth of our last (eighth) child. That daughter just turned 17. She has never progressed to "diagnosable" diabetes until now.

I don't believe "pre-diabetes" is really precisely understood. It's really just a "check engine" light - an arbitrary boundary imposed on a bell-curve measure. The belief is that once you cross a certain threshold (which they change from time to time), you are "headed" for what they call "frank" diabetes at some unknown yet inevitable point in the future. I don't think their knowledge is as complete as they would have you believe.

Is everyone who meets the "pre-diabetic" criteria like over 110 fasting, etc. definitely headed to "frank" diabetes in their lifetime? I don't think anyone has data to prove that one way or the other. There is a lot of guessing going on.

IMO, everyone should be cautious about excessive glucose with or without a "pre-diabetes" diagnosis.

Think about this:

One person has very tightly regulated BG. They just bounce around between 80 and 90 all the time, no matter what they eat. Their system responds promptly and thoroughly to incoming glucose and takes care of business. I'll call this one the hyper-regulator.

Another person has a "lazier" system. When they eat, their BG goes up somewhere between 130 (the AVERAGE after-meal peak in one famous CGM trial of healthy non-diabetics) and 160 (up 2 standard deviations in the same trial), but they return to baseline in about 2 hours after eating. I'll call this one the lazy-regulator.

Most people on this list would ASSUME that the second one is much more likely to develop diabetes. But do we really know that? I don't think we do. We have very little data on the BG and A1C readings of the non-diabetic population or even the diabetic population prior to diagnosis.

Do the lazy regulators progress to diabetes because their systems were weak to begin with and eventually get overwhelmed? Or, to the hyper-regulators succumb to diabetes because their [over-achieving?] systems worked so hard - confronted with the same horrible SAD diet - that they wore themselves out?

Pancreas wear-out is after all one of the major theories of the genesis of T2. Of the two, it seems that the hyper-regulators would be MORE prone to wearing out their pancreas than the lazy-regulators. Either theory is equally plausible at this point and we simply don't have the data to solve it.

One thing is clear: Adopting a diet which minimizes incoming glucose and therefore insulin need/production would help in all cases.

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You had us all on the edge of our seats (and on our "prayer bones", I might add) for sure . . . and your determination to gain/keep control is phenomenal. (((Marty))) (I remember Mrs. Marty back then - coming onto the forum under your name & keeping us posted on your condition . . . )

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I was Dxed with a FBG of 350 after a week of no carbs, (slim jims and hard boiled eggs). I had severe weight loss, visibly lost muscle in my arms and legs. I suffered a MRSA infection and yeast over my entire body. DKA twice before being Dxed. I had neuropathy so bad in my hands I could barely drive a car let alone work at my job. I had to tape popsicle sticks to all of my fingers and wear wrist braces on both wrists to even work. Both feet had neuro., suffered leg cramps, I had a bleed in my left eye. Two years ago I had a quadruple by-pass. I was circling the drain a few times.

I do not take any meds now except for Lisinopril for BP. I keep my BG levels normal thru diet exercise and herbs and supps



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Thanks Shanny, I just found out that right after the surgery I had a bleed in my left eye, could be why I was seeing red back then, I thought I was just mad.

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My wife has been pre-diabetic since the birth of our last (eighth) child. That daughter just turned 17. She has never progressed to "diagnosable" diabetes until now.

I don't believe "pre-diabetes" is really precisely understood. It's really just a "check engine" light - an arbitrary boundary imposed on a bell-curve measure. The belief is that once you cross a certain threshold (which they change from time to time), you are "headed" for what they call "frank" diabetes at some unknown yet inevitable point in the future. I don't think their knowledge is as complete as they would have you believe.

Is everyone who meets the "pre-diabetic" criteria like over 110 fasting, etc. definitely headed to "frank" diabetes in their lifetime? I don't think anyone has data to prove that one way or the other. There is a lot of guessing going on.

IMO, everyone should be cautious about excessive glucose with or without a "pre-diabetes" diagnosis.

Think about this:

One person has very tightly regulated BG. They just bounce around between 80 and 90 all the time, no matter what they eat. Their system responds promptly and thoroughly to incoming glucose and takes care of business. I'll call this one the hyper-regulator.

Another person has a "lazier" system. When they eat, their BG goes up somewhere between 130 (the AVERAGE after-meal peak in one famous CGM trial of healthy non-diabetics) and 160 (up 2 standard deviations in the same trial), but they return to baseline in about 2 hours after eating. I'll call this one the lazy-regulator.

Most people on this list would ASSUME that the second one is much more likely to develop diabetes. But do we really know that? I don't think we do. We have very little data on the BG and A1C readings of the non-diabetic population or even the diabetic population prior to diagnosis.

Do the lazy regulators progress to diabetes because their systems were weak to begin with and eventually get overwhelmed? Or, to the hyper-regulators succumb to diabetes because their [over-achieving?] systems worked so hard - confronted with the same horrible SAD diet - that they wore themselves out?

Pancreas wear-out is after all one of the major theories of the genesis of T2. Of the two, it seems that the hyper-regulators would be MORE prone to wearing out their pancreas than the lazy-regulators. Either theory is equally plausible at this point and we simply don't have the data to solve it.

One thing is clear: Adopting a diet which minimizes incoming glucose and therefore insulin need/production would help in all cases.

I'm sorry about your daughter Mr. Morgan. There is a hereditary factor there, and so with me. I know so little about endocrinology, except what I read in some medical general books, and the net. I think it is a very powerful and complex area in medicine, maybe responsible for disorders that are not connected with hormonal/enzyme stuff but mainly with physiological deterioration of cells in the case of diabetes. Cancer is studied the same way, only the cells are said to proliferate.

There may be other factors that are necessary to make something which was potential, actual. For example, I also forgot to mention that I had one flu after another before frank diabetes (though with the "prediabetic symptoms" i mentioned, and had not taken a vaccine for either -- H1N1 and a common flu. But they knocked me out for 6 months. Who knows?
Maybe they played a role for the lack of care and crappy diet while i was ill.

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MCS, what is your supplement list? Or, I'm sure you've posted your method earlier, but I've missed it and would like to see it. Can you tell me where to look for it? I don't know how to search the site for posts by an individual or I'd look for it.

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Not sure if this is the place to post this or not, maybe Shanny can move it if improper.

I will just type the list of things I have used present and past. I had to determine what my problems were in order to fix them.

Ground Flaxseed 1/4 cup a day
Resistant Starch 40-50 grams a day, at first twice a day for 2 weeks
Vanadyl Sulfate (no longer use)
Gymnemia Sylvestrae (no longer use)
Bitter Melon (no longer use)
Dandelion Root ( on occasion) (GLP-1 activator)
Milk Thistle (on occasion) (liver and GLP-1 Activator)
Zinc, B-Vit, Selenium, Magnesium Glycinate, Vit E, COQ10, Vit D
Alpha Lipoic Acid (1800mg a day divided) no longer use
GABA up to 5 to 10 grams a day (adrenalin response) occasional
L-Theanine, occasional (adrenalin response)
Ashwheghanda, adrenalin response, occasional use
L-Arginine, 5grams a day, currently taking
Green tea extract, occasional
DHEA 50, once a day
Testosterone injections, weekly
Aspirin, 4 (325mg) a day, up to 6 a day then down to 4 a day.
Currently taking 6 Acidolphilius pills a day.
L-Carnatine, L-Carnosine, 40grams of fish oil to resolve cholesterol problems

The biggest change in steps was the resistant starch, then the GABA, Aspirin, Testosterone. I found out that for me, my elevated base line was due to more than just not enough insulin or what I ate.

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