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Old 02-26-2018, 02:34   #21
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I feel like a doctor is going to be just as confused as I am
A doctor's job is to learn a lot and to know how to approach medical issues by requesting tests, checking body hormone/enzyme/chemical levels, and so on.

We here may not agree with every treatment doctors offer us, but their diagnoses generally are spot on. Since we cannot request additional tests, it's hard for us to home in on just what may be happening here and, as a result, to offer much more advice. You have some interesting symptoms; you should try to find out what's causing them.


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Lots of good personal stories and info have already been shared, but I'll add a little of my own thoughts too.

A normal meal for a Type 2 diabetic would be 45-60 grams of carbs; female vs male.

Snacks should range from 30-45 grams of carbs; female vs male.

That's the latest diabetic diet teaching recommendations.

The reason for those amounts is because most diabetics are taking at least Metformin and a Long-Acting Insulin.

The latest medical protocols call for STARTING newly diagnosed Type 2 patients on Long-Acting Insulin because they've discovered that it leads to a serious reduction in amputations.

The BRAIN requires sugar to operate, BUT, the parameters for the Brain are quite narrow. This is why you get the Brain Fog when your blood sugar is too high and why you develop chills, racing heart, and can end up in a coma and dead, when it's too low.

Since you're not diagnosed yet, then I'll state that a healthy fasting blood sugar will typically range between 80-100 and that two hours after meals it should be between 80-120.

The fact that your blood sugar is dropping, in my opinion, dangerously low at times, while not on diabetic medication, tells us that you definitely have functioning Beta cells in your pancreas that are releasing tons of insulin.

Your unusual blood sugar spike of 221 for only 30g of carbs, coupled with your current gastric condition might make more sense physiologically than most people might think.

A gastric specialist and endocrinologist is your best resource, but it short, it sounds like you have a bit of a feedback loop happening when you eat.

Digestion occurs throughout the intestines. The enzymes in the saliva begin the process of breaking chemical bonds in food, but most of that enzyme action happens in there stomach.

Absorption of specific things, whether minerals, vitamins, proteins, etc, occur at different places in the intestines.

This is why people losing part of their stomach (including elective surgery) and intestines have very specific diets and often are noticed for their skin looking pale or discolored. When the part of the colon that absorbs a specific vitamin is removed, that has a profound impact on our body chemistry, and immune system, because we no longer have the means to obtain it in our diet.

So, you eat your rice and it hits your stomach and your brain is getting signals to start making Insulin.

However, the rice sits there and slowly makes its way into your colon and FINALLY hits the patch of colon where the carbs are first absorbed, WHICH FINALLY results in the signal for the RELEASE of the insulin.

So, in that case, there's an overproduction of insulin because of the delay in absorption. Then it's released, but it's more than you really needed, and suddenly going from a spike in blood sugar, because the release signals came a little late, to being too low at times, because insulin is made when there's a signal to make it.

It's like a set of On-Off switches to make and release insulin have been left in the hands of a social-media distracted high school teenager. LoL

The Brain Fog... is easily experienced when drinking alcohol.

The alcohol easily passes across the Blood-Brain barrier, meaning it's crossing without regards to digestion, so it begins to immediately affect your brain while your body is only just starting to break down the alcohol.

Alcohol affects the sugar level in your body and your brain is very sensitive to sugar levels.

Drink too much and you begin to lose focus and can pass out. Part of that is the toxicity of alcohol and part of it is the effects of alcohol on body chemistry, especially with regards to blood sugar.

This is why States want to outlaw Energy Drinks as mixers... they typically are NOT using the Sugar-Free Energy Drinks as mixers, so they're artificially raising your blood sugar, and adding the effects of caffeine.

The result is you don't have the Brain Fog due to lowering of the blood sugar, but you do have the toxic effects of the alcohol and the impairment from the alcohol.

Best cure for a hangover? Sugar... which is why drunks crave late night White Castle, etc. They dive into the bread and the fries... The carbs.

Still not a believer?

The cure for the DT's at any ER? Typically a Banana Bag.... It's a Dextrose-Saline IV bag with a dose of Liquid Vitamin B added, which makes it yellow in color.

What else is high in Energy Drinks? Liquid Vitamin B.

So, a liquid of sugar, salt and Vitamin B gets put directly in your body's circulatory system at the ER... Or you can consume an Energy Drink... which is often the type with too much added caffeine, which you should avoid or minimize.

That's a lot of information about things that seem irrelevant, but I think that it's better to have more information so that you can understand the principles and processes.

Why? Because a primary care doctor might decide to manage your issues and not lose the insurance $$$$$ that goes to a specialist. He or she can legally treat you without a referral.

They see an abnormal HA1c and diagnose you as T2 and Rx diabetic medications.

That could quite easily kill you, if you're already dropping to 50.

Low blood sugar impairs people as it drops below 80. That's a simple fact.

The more you experience low blood sugar, the more you acclimate to how it makes you feel... meaning you don't realize that it's low and you, like someone drinking alcohol every day, don't realize that you're impaired.

It's a serious health risk for you, and if you're driving or operating heavy equipment, chain saw, etc, it makes you a serious health risk to others. It only takes a second to make a fatal error in judgement with any kind of impairment.

A blood sugar of 20 is typically the point of being comatose.

This suggestion is for EVERYONE: if you're checking your blood sugar, then check it with your glucometer immediately prior to having your fasting labs drawn... Literally, tell the phlebotomist to give you the 30 seconds it takes to load a lancet and test strip and check it.

THEN COMPARE YOUR GLUCOMETER READING WITH YOUR LABWORK!!!!

I do this every single time I have fasting bloodwork performed.

I discovered that MY glucometer is ALWAYS EXACTLY 10 points HIGHER than my LABWORK.

I'm doing my test literally a minute before actual blood draw, and I often double check right after, because my doctors at the VA don't believe anything a patient tells them.

So, what I really discovered is that when I've seen a reading of 42, 36, and even 32, then my real reading might have been as low as 22!

So, your 50 might have been even lower.

My doctors routinely worry more about the high numbers.

Every single low reading has resulted in them telling me that "the meter was probably just off."

Yet, they trust every high reading.......

The Moral of the Story? Read the MEDICAL literature... Not just websites.

You need to educate yourself with medical books and especially medical journals, because that's where you'll find the latest information and research... That, sadly, most doctors do NOT read, usually because they don't have time and they rely on an annual meeting or a drug company presentation to update them.

That's my fact-based personal medical experience.

Never settle with one doctor's opinion, especially if they tell you that nobody on the internet knows anything.

I see a ton of people saying The same things, and they're here because they're diabetics sharing their experiences.

A drug trial is a group of people, in a controlled study, who share their experiences.

We're sharing our experiences. We all have one or more things going on, and we're not you, but if you find someone else with your exact same health issues, then their experiences might be very relevant, if their medications are also similar.

The medical schools only emphasize the General/Common Signs & Symptoms... So, even though doctors must take Statistics in their Pre-med education, they usually have no clue that patients can be a "Statistical Outlier".

Just because your doctor says it can't happen and isn't related, doesn't mean that he or she is correct.

Research, get more opinions, demand specialists be consulted TOGETHER, and HIGHLIGHT your gastric diagnosis in your Headline, so that maybe you can round up a few more people with the same issues.

I guarantee you're not the first and probably aren't the only one in here... However, that's not a typical scenario discussed in medical school, and even if it did get 2 minutes of discussion in a class in biochemistry or disease processes, your doctor might not have seen it since then, assuming your doctor was in class that day and awake, taking notes at that time.

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You are correct about a looping issue. Normal hormone signaling is a matter of checks and balances and a delay in digestion for a normal person should not have that great of a BG effect. Insulin should be checked by the release of glucose via glucagon signaling the conversion of glycogen to glucose. Without that, BG would be driven low first I would guess.

Since learning of cat1234 being at pre-diabetic levels earlier on, I think indicates being pre-diabetic (even though I don't believe in pre-diabetic as being a separate thing) and the lowering of carbs and sustaining that lower level got the numbers back down from what they were at the time until recently.

Most new members here don't seem to be getting prescribed the newer protcol of metformin and insulin, most are getting sulfonylureas, DDP-4 and GLP-1 inhibitors, and/or whatever the latest pharma moneymaker drug is, but they would definitely be better off with met and insulin if needed.

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Wow Tex67. That sounds like exactly what is happening and the most logical explanation for the strange symptoms. I am very impressed and will arm myself with all this information when I go see the specialists.

Thank you so much for all the time and detail you put into your response. I am still processing it all as the brain fog sets in and I sit here trying to decide what to eat that won’t make the loop restart!

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Thanks. I feel like a doctor is going to be just as confused as I am But I will keep trying to find some answers. I appreciate this forum though - there has been some very helpful information.
Like most on this website would tell you all of our experiences are different in some ways and similar in others. For me after I found this website, did the reading and research on LCHF, and decided to start following the protocol....my Doctor, who I briefed on what I was doing...
did not like what I was trying. The next time I saw him I had lost like 30 lbs., my blood pressure had dropped below normal so I had to take half of my pill for blood pressure, my A1c dropped to 5.8, and all my other blood tests were much improved, except my Cholesterol numbers came up a bit, but still within normal range....

All of the raised my Doctors eyebrows and he only said don't eat to low on carbs....but was open when I said I eat below 100 carbs per day.

3 months later when I came min my weight had dropped a total of 50lbs. and all my blood work again was on target and improved! At that point my Doctor blessed what I was doing. Come to find out he had been on this website done some reading and did his own research. He declared my his 'Poster Boy' for type 2 old guys....!

Even good doctors can learn...my Doctor is in his 50's not a young buck...but now he fully on board with LCHF! Sometimes the student can teach the teacher....

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That is amazing div2liv! Love your story and you are an inspiration. I am going to try it but will throw out there that I am already underweight due to the GP. It is really hard to eat real food when it causes so many negative symptoms.

I have an appointment today with my PCP to find out where she thinks I should start with the BS issues. And another appointment Friday with my gastro to see if they know how this can be helped. It seems that cutting the carbs has already made me go hypo. Feel like I am an eating disorder patient at this point! My BS level before dinner yesterday was 56. It went up to a normal level of 114 one hour after dinner. Crazy.

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3 months later when I came min my weight had dropped a total of 50lbs. and all my blood work again was on target and improved! At that point my Doctor blessed what I was doing. Come to find out he had been on this website done some reading and did his own research. He declared my his 'Poster Boy' for type 2 old guys....!

Even good doctors can learn...my Doctor is in his 50's not a young buck...but now he fully on board with LCHF! Sometimes the student can teach the teacher....

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That is amazing div2liv! Love your story and you are an inspiration. I am going to try it but will throw out there that I am already underweight due to the GP. It is really hard to eat real food when it causes so many negative symptoms.

I have an appointment today with my PCP to find out where she thinks I should start with the BS issues. And another appointment Friday with my gastro to see if they know how this can be helped. It seems that cutting the carbs has already made me go hypo. Feel like I am an eating disorder patient at this point! My BS level before dinner yesterday was 56. It went up to a normal level of 114 one hour after dinner. Crazy.

Thanks again for everybody's input!
I am glad that you do not struggle with being overweight. Most folks I have seen on LCHF that are not overweight, do not lose weight. Eating low carb high fat seems to bring us back to our 'healthy norms'...

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Cat, see an Endo and have him/her work with your gastro. Not sure why PC has not referred you to one yet.

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