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Old 06-01-2012, 19:21   #1
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Hi, I attended a social group for pump users last night, during which one of the people there showed us a book called "The Book of Better". The general idea of the book, is that we shouldn't lament what diabetes has done to us, but to make things better by acting on what we can improve. I generally ascribe to this theory as well.

However, one of the pages in the book states in bold letters that T2 can 'disappear' if we modify our diet and eliminate all bad fats (I'm severely oversimplifying here), and the guy (who is T1) told me in no uncertain terms that I am wasting my time on a pump because T2 can be easily cured.

After my resentment of his tone of voice subsided , I told him I think it's incorrect, that we can become symptom-free and be under great control, but once a diabetic, always a diabetic, regardless of T1 or T2.

Am I wrong?

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Nope. You're posolutely, absotively right.

I think at least some of the "T2 can be cured! Just live right!" stuff is well-meant. Some of it is simple repetition from trusted sources. But such "advice" is useless at best, and cruel at worst.

My biggest frustration right now is with some low-carb pundits, and I'm a very-low-carber myself. Sorry, but even if I found a way to lower my carb intake to minus-zero -- and I do try to keep close to that as mathematically possible -- I'll still need insulin. That ain't character failure, it's fact.

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I went ahead and moved this thread to "Diabetes Treatment," because the subject seemed to go beyond pumping. Hope that's OK, BWV!

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I went ahead and moved this thread to "Diabetes Treatment," because the subject seemed to go beyond pumping. Hope that's OK, BWV!
No problem, it pertains to a couple of categories so I leave that up to your expertise to decide where. Please delete the duplicate post that I created under Insulin Pump category. Thanks, and thanks for your reply. Glad to hear that I'm not crazy!

Shalynne, while you're at the 'housekeeping' task, I noticed typos in two of the titles of the stickies in the Pump forum ("Introduction" is misspelled as "Intoduction" and "Questionnaire" is misspelled as "Questionaire" (in the description as well)).


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You are not wrong. Glad you got your resentment reined in before you responded to him, but I hope you still used a very assertive tone!




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You are 100% right. This just shows the ignorance out there about Type 2. People, even some diabetics believe we gave ourselves diabetes by overeating fat. I think your "friend" would be surprised to see how thin some of us really are. At your next support meeting, bring him a 54 oz of Coconut Oil. Through diet, medication, insulin and exercise diabetes can be managed. For some it is easy but others have to try lots of things. Type 2 just like Type 1 will eventually destroy insulin producing beta cells and then you become insulin dependent just like your Type 1 friend. I actually think sometimes Type 2 is harder to treat because of Insulin Resistance. Many times if you are on insulin you need much more than the average type 1. The complication you can get from not managing your disease are the same for both types.

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I think he's dead wrong, but not for using the word "disappear" - which he very cleverly substituted for "cured" probably forseeing this tempest in a teacup we're witnessing in this thread.

Yup, my diabetes "disappeared" - by doing precisely the OPPOSITE of what he advocates. Once I got my fats (with minimal PUFAs which he probably advocates more of and plenty of good, natural saturated fat) up to 75% to 80% of calories and as long as I keep it there, my diabetes has indeed "disappeared".

Of course, NO T1 could do this - they will always need exogenous insulin - and a T2 who had progressed farther and gotten more "damage" or who had other health issues involved perhaps couldn't do this, either. However, I firmly believe that a large number of T2s (especially now that it is getting diagnosed earlier many times) could.

My sugars are all normal. I have no need to test. I eat as much as I want. After getting the hang of maintaining my macro-nutrient mix, I have no need to measure or count anything. All known measures of health like BP, lipids, inflammation, etc. are improved and in "normal " or excellent range. Where is my diabetes? Other than my participation on forums like this one pretty much "disappeared". Yesiree.

Cut out fats? You will have to of necessity increase carbs and/or protein - or starve. Either/both will increase incoming glucose. A guarantee of poor results, progression and complications.

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Thanks for all the great viewpoints. That is what the forum and this thread are meant for. Have any of you who posted above read "the Book of Better"?

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I think he's dead wrong, but not for using the word "disappear" - which he very cleverly substituted for "cured" probably forseeing this tempest in a teacup we're witnessing in this thread.

Yup, my diabetes "disappeared" - by doing precisely the OPPOSITE of what he advocates. Once I got my fats (with minimal PUFAs which he probably advocates more of and plenty of good, natural saturated fat) up to 75% to 80% of calories and as long as I keep it there, my diabetes has indeed "disappeared".

Of course, NO T1 could do this - they will always need exogenous insulin - and a T2 who had progressed farther and gotten more "damage" or who had other health issues involved perhaps couldn't do this, either. However, I firmly believe that a large number of T2s (especially now that it is getting diagnosed earlier many times) could.

My sugars are all normal. I have no need to test. I eat as much as I want. After getting the hang of maintaining my macro-nutrient mix, I have no need to measure or count anything. All known measures of health like BP, lipids, inflammation, etc. are improved and in "normal " or excellent range. Where is my diabetes? Other than my participation on forums like this one pretty much "disappeared". Yesiree.

Cut out fats? You will have to of necessity increase carbs and/or protein - or starve. Either/both will increase incoming glucose. A guarantee of poor results, progression and complications.
You think I'm wrong or the guy who told me this?

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T2D will NOT "disappear!" Funny I hear that from T1's who feel sorry for themselves, that they have "'worse" Diabetes than T2's who just do not "get it." and it does NOT seem to be what that book was about!

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