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Old 04-24-2014, 15:07   #21
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Going back to the original post, I went back to that forum and used their search to look for lchf and did find discussions about it, even recent ones, so It's not a forbidden topic there,

However,

I'm still disturbed that they were telling new members to live as they were before, including eating sugar. There was no mention of eliminating carbs as you would find here in an introductory thread.

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Ok this is my simple take about your question on why this forum is better than most. It has the most common sense.
When you're diagnosed diabetic ( any form) your body has developed an issue with carbs. Diabetics are "allergic" to carbs so the smartest thing to do is stay away from them.
My dad who's type 2 posted his dietician a meal plan on the fridge. I studied it and wow! Carbs at every meal. 1-2 slices of toast for brekkie plus 1/2 a fruit. More carbs for lunch and dinner. Extra carbs for snacks in-between too. I did ask him if his doctor or dietician ever suggested LCHF and my dad never even heard of it.
I find the doctors of today still put the fear of fat in patients and push the grains. IMO, if all diabetics go LCHF, most of them prolly reverse their conditions and these health care people would lose their business. Come on, how many type 2's as opposed to type 1's?

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Ok this is my simple take about your question on why this forum is better than most. It has the most common sense.
When you're diagnosed diabetic ( any form) your body has developed an issue with carbs. Diabetics are "allergic" to carbs so the smartest thing to do is stay away from them.
My dad who's type 2 posted his dietician a meal plan on the fridge. I studied it and wow! Carbs at every meal. 1-2 slices of toast for brekkie plus 1/2 a fruit. More carbs for lunch and dinner. Extra carbs for snacks in-between too. I did ask him if his doctor or dietician ever suggested LCHF and my dad never even heard of it.
I find the doctors of today still put the fear of fat in patients and push the grains. IMO, if all diabetics go LCHF, most of them prolly reverse their conditions and these health care people would lose their business. Come on, how many type 2's as opposed to type 1's?
You may call it common sense, but just a couple of years ago, saying something like that on just about any diabetes forum on earth (except the short lived "Low-Carb Diabetes") would get you extreme enmity from a large crowd of prolific posters (some suspiciously sounding like the same person under multiple names) and not to long after that "BANNED FOR LIFE".

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Perhaps part of the answer lies in the Swedish model, where its so successful . Obviously political systems, as reflected by their health care schemes also have a big influence.

That more or less leaves us with the most dangerous weapon in the world, an idea. If the 'idea" is spread through good results, education at all levels and publicity, it may reach a critical mass and become an accepted fact.

*** I think that in Sweden it caught on because many women used it for weight loss. As people are the same all around the world I suppose that it will be through women that the "idea" will be propelled.
Philip, "the Swedish model". Yes, LCHF is quite often used for weight loss. Personally I tried LCHF a week or two after diagnosis. Just found the blog Kostdoktorn "Dietdoctor" and found that LCHF had a very positive impact on my sugar level including a very rapid weight loss. I also think Andreas Eenfeldt has had (and have) a very big influence when it comes to promoting the benefits of a lowcarb diet. He even encouraged me at start by mail correspondence to keep on trying LCHF. The evening papers also have regular supplements on different aspects of LCHF including lots of LCHF recipes.

But still there is some way to go to have LCHF fully excepted among the authorities, although there is a growing acceptance for a lowcarb diet from Socialstyrelsen (the Swedish ADA) when it comes to treating diabetes.

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I had the crap scared out of me in November, and started research to see what I was facing as a "pre". I read so much that it could be reversed, i believed it. I kept digging in, and felt the people on the ADA website forum were clueless and just didnt accept that carbs were a no-go. If my doctor said I was allergic to carbs...why would I eat them? I happened on another forum and everyone was nasty. Got on some FB ones for pre's, and they were all in denial. I was in a different place, fully accepting that i could not eat carbs. Did another google search on diabetes forums and no carb- and here I am.

This place differs in that I know folks who have been down this road WANT my numbers to be low and for me to avoid the pitfalls they had when they were diagnosed as "pre". Each success here is celebrated. I feel connected and part of a community/family. Eating to my meter is the best advice I ever got, along with using the meter to look for trends and not get obsessed about the number.

Honestly, the recklessness, lack of education, and- I'll say it- lack of common sense elsewhere is why I am so happy to hang my hat here. When I read on another forum that a T2 couldnt wait for Hostess to get back in the stores, and that he was happy for numbers "down to 325"- knew to get myself out of Dodge. I can take a lot- but reckless isn't one of them!

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Of all the forums I've participated in, this is the only one where I actually miss it when I'm away. There are a lot of caring people here and trolls are quickly shown the door. A big thanks to the moderators and to all of you who make this forum great!

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I totally agree silvertiger. The hard work and dedication of the moderators on this forum are, in my opinion, the reason this forum remains the best on the internet. Thanks to all of you !

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I started out with the forum in question and still visit it as much as this one. What I've observed is that the forum owner seems to be more strict about people not giving medical advice and sometimes, it seems, when people advocate too plainly, that's frowned upon.

There also seem to be some who have not had success with LC/HF who seem upset when someone advocates LC/HF. I don't know these people or why it didn't work for them, but it seems like they feel that LC/HF is being thrown in their face and I detect maybe a sense of defensiveness. Having met one person at work who couldn't stay on LC/HF because of severe joint pain, I understand that it doesn't work for everyone and can understand that people probably get tired of hearing LC/HF all the time when it doesn't work for them.

When I first started on the "blue site" -- in my mind I call DD the blue site because of its color scheme, and this one the "red site" for *its* color scheme -- I was a typical panicky pre-D and they treated me well. I tried to follow LC/HF, but my numbers didn't go back in the normal range and I felt like I was failing. I started visiting this forum because it discussed LC/HF more often and I thought I could get some more tips. And oddly enough, even though this site *discusses* LC/HF more often, it seems to be kinder to those who are LC/HF but eat more in the 80-100 range. (I started out 30-80, but now am trying 80-100, having decided that although I'm happy with 30g/day on my own, it's difficult to stick to that with a husband who thinks LC/HF is dangerous, and it makes my friends worry too much about providing food I can eat when I see them.)

I like both sites and the different crowd of people (though I must admit I recognize some of the same names on both).

Recently I started to visit other sites, just to see what others are doing. One interesting observation is that especially in some of the older posts, the ADA community forum (community.diabetes.org) seemed to have a lot more people talking about going to the emergency room for DKA or having severe foot infections or even having toes amputated. They also seemed to be more comfortable with higher A1c numbers. (Gee, wonder if there's a connection...)

But I'll always come back to my "red site" (this one) because, I dunno, I just like it

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You may call it common sense, but just a couple of years ago, saying something like that on just about any diabetes forum on earth (except the short lived "Low-Carb Diabetes") would get you extreme enmity from a large crowd of prolific posters (some suspiciously sounding like the same person under multiple names) and not to long after that "BANNED FOR LIFE".
Wow! I've never been banned for anything in my life maybe that's about to change! I've lived my life being such a goody two shoes that as soon as I turned 40, I'm feeling a bit rebellious!
The docs can say as much as they want, I know what I believe in and there is proof for it!

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Thanks Mar2a, very insightful!

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