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Old 04-24-2014, 19:38   #31
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I was "CORRECTED," (caps meant to scream) by a mod on DD regarding T2's (!), non-insulin users, running below 7.0 as "dangerously low!" UGH! Last time I went there.

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I was "CORRECTED," (caps meant to scream) by a mod on DD regarding T2's (!), non-insulin users, running below 7.0 as "dangerously low!" UGH! Last time I went there.
Yeah, I wouldn't consider 7.0 dangerously low for ANYONE, but that's just my opinion, and, of course depends on what that 7.0 represents. My highest A1c at the doctor's office was a 5.9, but that included both numbers well over 200 and some in the low 70s.

If a 7.0 included numbers in what, the 300-400s and then some lows in the 40s, that wouldn't be good, but I think it would be misleading to say that the 7.0 was dangerously low. (I'm sure my math is wrong, but you get the picture: Very high highs and a few low lows.)

How long ago was that? Just wondering because as I look at different sites, I'm seeing things change very slowly.

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For me, a 7.0 borders on a dangerous high. Not scary-high, mind you, but still to be avoided.

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Philip, "the Swedish model". Yes, LCHF is quite often used for weight loss. Personally I tried LCHF a week or two after diagnosis. Just found the blog Kostdoktorn "Dietdoctor" and found that LCHF had a very positive impact on my sugar level including a very rapid weight loss. I also think Andreas Eenfeldt has had (and have) a very big influence when it comes to promoting the benefits of a lowcarb diet. He even encouraged me at start by mail correspondence to keep on trying LCHF. The evening papers also have regular supplements on different aspects of LCHF including lots of LCHF recipes.

But still there is some way to go to have LCHF fully excepted among the authorities, although there is a growing acceptance for a lowcarb diet from Socialstyrelsen (the Swedish ADA) when it comes to treating diabetes.
Wanted to mention earlier that much credit also goes to Dr Annika Dahlquist , the wonderful MD that was called to order by her own profession because she had treated her patients with LCHF diets.
She defended herself with the facts regarding her treatments and the positive results obtained.
How easy it is to forget those that made their contributions when the times were tough.
Skol to Dr Annika Dahlquist.

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Wanted to mention earlier that much credit also goes to Dr Annika Dahlquist , the wonderful MD that was called to order by her own profession because she had treated her patients with LCHF diets.
She defended herself with the facts regarding her treatments and the positive results obtained.
How easy it is to forget those that made their contributions when the times were tough.
Skol to Dr Annika Dahlquist.
Yes, Annika Dahlqvist is also well known for her treatment and recommendations of LCHF. She has had a very hard fight with the authorities and media - for some time she was even forced to leave her job as a GP.
But now her ideas about the health benefits of LCHF is more accepted and she is working as a GP and has an active blog on the net.

Personally I think some of the difficulties she has had also derives from some hardships to handle media. She is a professional doctor, but has no media training, which is unfortunate because she has really been a forerunner when it comes to the benefits of a low carb diet.

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I started out with the forum in question and still visit it as much as this one. What I've observed is that the forum owner seems to be more strict about people not giving medical advice and sometimes, it seems, when people advocate too plainly, that's frowned upon.

There also seem to be some who have not had success with LC/HF who seem upset when someone advocates LC/HF. I don't know these people or why it didn't work for them, but it seems like they feel that LC/HF is being thrown in their face and I detect maybe a sense of defensiveness. Having met one person at work who couldn't stay on LC/HF because of severe joint pain, I understand that it doesn't work for everyone and can understand that people probably get tired of hearing LC/HF all the time when it doesn't work for them.

When I first started on the "blue site" -- in my mind I call DD the blue site because of its color scheme, and this one the "red site" for *its* color scheme -- I was a typical panicky pre-D and they treated me well. I tried to follow LC/HF, but my numbers didn't go back in the normal range and I felt like I was failing. I started visiting this forum because it discussed LC/HF more often and I thought I could get some more tips. And oddly enough, even though this site *discusses* LC/HF more often, it seems to be kinder to those who are LC/HF but eat more in the 80-100 range. (I started out 30-80, but now am trying 80-100, having decided that although I'm happy with 30g/day on my own, it's difficult to stick to that with a husband who thinks LC/HF is dangerous, and it makes my friends worry too much about providing food I can eat when I see them.)

I like both sites and the different crowd of people (though I must admit I recognize some of the same names on both).

Recently I started to visit other sites, just to see what others are doing. One interesting observation is that especially in some of the older posts, the ADA community forum (community.diabetes.org) seemed to have a lot more people talking about going to the emergency room for DKA or having severe foot infections or even having toes amputated. They also seemed to be more comfortable with higher A1c numbers. (Gee, wonder if there's a connection...)

But I'll always come back to my "red site" (this one) because, I dunno, I just like it
Yeah, I was on the ADA site back then. It was downright ghoulish. At the same time they were lynching (and banning) anyone who talked about LC - let alone HF - they were always talking about things like why doesn't my insulin work anymore, getting foot ulcers from stepping on something not healing after months and my personal favorite: what kind of monster would suggest I don't have a piece of birthday cake at my child's party?!

On some other forum, there was actually an entire thread dedicated to singing the praises of carbs and it had a lot of participation. I kid you not.

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