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Old 06-25-2015, 17:26   #1
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Thought this article would be of general interest. The upshot is to eat vegetables first, then protein, and finally carbs (if you must) for a measurably lower effect on blood sugar.

http://www.themonitordaily.com/order...ocesses/23022/

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They studied only 111 people - and they were all obese T2s on metformin, eating a typical Western diet. There was no mention of reducing carbs, just that they should be eaten last. Good grief!!!

So, all the slower-digesting foods are eaten first, so the digested carbs can't get to the bloodstream quite as fast. Well, duh!

I'm sorry. My frustration is not directed toward you, cathyy, just this really silly study that got reported, and now there's another "tip" that doesn't do anything at all for the diabetic except encourage them to continue eating their really bad diet.

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More rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.

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It is nevertheless valuable information. Not everybody is on LCHF, nor even desires to be. And it is good for people trying to reduce rather than eliminate carbs, perhaps with a goal of LCHF. And it tells me that on Thanksgiving, I eat my veggies, then my turkey, and finally my 1/4 cup serving of dressing and my half slice of pumpkin pie (made with HWC and artificial sweetener).

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I was particularly irked by the last paragraph:
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So it is not that important to make a thorough selection and exclude certain aliments from our daily diets, but it is highly important to keep in mind that no matter what we eat or how much we like a certain type of food over another, the order in which food is eaten affects body processes.
Actually, it IS that important to make a thorough selection and exclude certain aliments, because certain high-carb aliments raise our blood sugar, and it doesn't matter when we eat them - they still spike us.

Flowery language does not prevent this from being bad science, and furthermore, the journalist either accidentally or deliberately erred in describing the study: There were only 11 subjects - not 111 - and it says so in the publication directly from Weill Cornell: Food Order Has Significant Impact on Glucose and Insulin Levels | Weill Cornell Newsroom | Weill Cornell Medical College




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Eleven????? This isn't even a "study".

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It is good science. You just don't like the commentary on it, that it implies eating carbs is okay.

Please be advised that not all diabetics can or will eat low-carb. And even the ones that do eat low-carb will eventually run out of carbs to cut, as I have. Your time will inevitably come, Shanny and VeeJay, because diabetes is a progressive disease. You can stall, but not stop, the progression. This advice may not apply to you right now, but it does apply to other people right now.

I agree that low carb is the best diet for any diabetic. I strongly disagree with you both that any information other than the LCHF mantra needs to be belittled and disregarded.

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Don't threaten me, my dear. Diabetes progresses ONLY if we follow doctors' and ADA guidelines - it's their parameters that doom us to failure. It's only by maintaining good control that we stop the progression and avoid complications, and that is the goal of the members of this forum - to avoid complications by stopping the progression.

Why in the world would people deliberately eat the very foods that raise their blood sugar - only to have to spend time, money, blood, sweat and tears, trying to get it back down again? Don't tell me that people can't or won't cut carbs . . . they damn well will if they know the consequences and have the gumption to take responsibility.

I believe you've been misled by the professionals and their big pharma cohorts, cathyy . . . and I refuse to drink their kool-aid.




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Ah, Shanny, Shanny. Look at your diagnosis date. Look at my diagnosis date. See the difference? I too kept my diabetes under tight control using Metformin and diet, and for about 13 years. You can say that LCHF will keep your diabetes from progressing, but you have no evidence that it does, while I myself am evidence that it does NOT. Find me a LCHF advocate who has been on Metformin only for substantially longer than me, like several more years, before you declare that LCHF stops the progression.

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I wonder what their BG was 30, 60, and 120 minutes after eating their first bite of carbs? The effect on BG for a study of n=11 should have been monitored with CGMs or checked every 15 minutes. The meal reversal was a week later and no control of what happened between the two meals. And they did mention fat, which I thought was odd until I looked at the link "study". Here is the meal "During the first visit, the food order was carbohydrate (ciabatta bread and orange juice), followed 15 min later by protein (skinless grilled chicken breast) and vegetables (lettuce and tomato salad with low-fat Italian vinaigrette and steamed broccoli with butter); the food order was reversed a week later. Blood was sampled for glucose and insulin measurements at baseline (just before meal ingestion) and 30, 60, and 120 min after the start of the meal."

Peak BG could have potentially been at 90 minutes and missed. This study is flawed and proves nothing more than if you miss measuring the peak, you give the illusion there was not one.

They are only fooling those looking for any reason to continue eating carbs.

High BG makes the disease progressive, whether you catch it or not. Normal BG makes it not progressive, again, whether you catch it or not.

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