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Old 04-08-2016, 19:27   #41
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I was sitting here drinking coffee and thinking about all of this...

It suddenly dawned on me that I should actually be very thankful for this cranky old doctor.

It was because of him that I got so angry that I stopped going to doctors for a while. That anger drove me to finally deciding to take control of my diabetes. It was then that I began researching nutrition. Following a lot of trial and error, I came to the realization that the LCHF lifestyle would help me to bring it all together. It was the start of a whole new journey.


Maybe sometimes things happen for a reason...
lemonade, anyone? doors open, doors close, all things happen for a reason. i, personally, just love a deep thinker. way to be, cricket!

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I had a patient tonight who in in the hospital where I work. She is overweight. BG's are in the 200-300 range mostly. He endo wants her to eat 45 grams of carb / meal. he tells her a set dose to take / meal instead of giving her a way to calculate how much she needs. I felt sorry for her. Her endo crinologist is in the group who took care of my MIL years ago and I had thought that is who I would use for Ronnie if anything happens to his dear old endo. Guess I'll re-think that. I hate this : "older people don't need to be on a controlled carb diet. They aren't going to die of long term effects of diabetes." My husband and I are in our 60's and if we eat and exercise right we could live on a while. Besides, Ronnie can't think right if his BG is high or low.
I am interested to the over the counter insulin at walmart. Will it work in an insulin pump???
When Ronnie got sick, I quit listening to idiocy spouted by my physicians.

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This is what terrifies me. Two weeks ago, I wouldn't have worried about talking to my Dr about this, but since she missed my BG level at my 2015 physical, she is in knee jerk mode trying to overcorrect. I am thinking glaze over the "HF" part of the LCHF, and let it go at that, she only wants me testing twice a day, but I will plan on discussing "eat to the meter" with her as it logically makes sense to me. I don't think she will give me a fit about that. (I hope not)

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Can fully understand not asking for trouble by touting HF Perhaps one day down the road.

My endo looked at my logs and said, 'you know, you don't need to test so much.' I answered: I'm doing it to gather information; otherwise I can't know what foods are doing, how to close in on a better insulin:carb ratio, etc. She said nothing.

The only argument I could anticipate you getting about eat-to-your-meter is the line that you need carbs, and if you are eating x carbs, and your bg goes up too much, then you need to cover those carbs with oral meds or insulin.

My endo was pushing bolus insulin on me on the basis that I could then eat more carbs. She has given up and accepts the way I do things, so ... I like her now!

Here's what I've learned about (most) docs: they like to see the results. They become miraculously less invested in how we got there as long as we did. The grief we got at first is replaced by congratulations, and next time there's a difference of opinion, they become a bit less argumentative, more flexible.

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The only argument I could anticipate you getting about eat-to-your-meter is the line that you need carbs, and if you are eating x carbs, and your bg goes up too much, then you need to cover those carbs with oral meds or insulin.

My endo was pushing bolus insulin on me on the basis that I could then eat more carbs.
I think this statement hits the nail on the head. MOST people want to compensate so they can continue their behavior, NOT adapt their behavior to cope with the issue (this can apply in many aspects of life not just diabetes) Dr.s are used to working to allow their patients fit the "norm" allow them to still eat stuff that will negatively affect their BG levels, and then "control" it by medication. I would rather adapt my behavior to control the problem than use medication to mask it.

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The more I read about the awful experiences people have with their doctors, the more grateful I am for mine. He was the one who encouraged me to go very low carb (as low as you can get! he said), encouraged me to join MyFitnessPal to track all my foods, as well as test frequently (how are you going to know what's going on otherwise? he asked), and while he is less enthusiastic about the high fat side of things, he doesn't nag.

He's got his flaws and we butt heads every now and then, but thankfully he has never been condescending or demeaning. I'm SO sorry there are many patients who are treated this way; those doctors are absolutely not worthy of any kind of respect.
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MOST people want to compensate so they can continue their behavior, NOT adapt their behavior to cope with the issue ... Dr.s are used to working to allow their patients fit the "norm" allow them to still eat stuff that will negatively affect their BG levels, and then "control" it by medication.
Sadly, I have to agree with this. There are a lot of fellow diabetics in my workplace and lunch with them is a hair-raising experience, as they gobble sandwiches on white bread, mac 'n cheese, potatoes, chips and so forth. They do think that they can just go on like before with no ill effects, as long as they take their meds.

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Fangirl, I looked for a lowcarb endo in north Alabama and they do not exist.
We love our endo, not a low carb LCHF follower, but as long as we manage Ronnie's diet so he stays out of the hospital and as long as his a1c is below 7 he pretty much lets us do as we please. He is a dear older fellow with Type 1 diabetes and no complications, His wife is an RN and diabetes educator and his daughter is type 1 diabetic and a diabetic educator. They have people who drive over 100 miles for a regular visit. We are blessed but I wonder where we will go when he retires. He no longer sees patients in a the hospital. Most of the hospitals around us have gone to using hospitalists to take care of the in patients.

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I am a hospital employee and that is the thinking even with the best of RN's and physicians.

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My favorite medical is one from Albert Schweitzer (see below) and one that we as patients desire from our doctors.

Within every patient there resides a doctor, and we as physicians are at our best when we put our patients in touch with the doctor inside themselves." Albert Schweitzer, M.D. -- Swiss physician, theologian and humanitarian; winner of the 1952 Nobel Peace Prize. (1875-1965.)
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