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Old 01-25-2017, 07:10   #61
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I take metformin and glymepride (sp). Will Berberine interact with either of the two? Sam
Sorry, was gone for a few weeks. It should be okay. I take both Metformin and Berberine. I do not take glyp, but it just stimulates insulin release. I do take Prandin, which is a very short term (3 hour) insulin stimulator when I eat a carb load. So similar to glyp.

As fast as I have seen, there are No counter indications with Berberine. You should test your BG regularly in the beginning to be sure you do go too low. The Berberine will not make you go low, but it will improve insulin resistance as well as stop liver dumps. Berberine has many other benefits for your heart and digestive track.

I am a very strong believer. There are a lot of people using it in another community I participate in.

I am taking 500mg with each meal. You do need to give it 3-4 weeks for it to start working. It may cause some gastro issues in the beginning, but that is because the Berberine is killing the bad stuff in your digestive track.


As far as LCHF, I realize you have some deep concerns given your medical history. You may want to do broader research on the topic in Keto forums and other places to get a good cross view into other people's experiences. Virtually everybody I've heard from says that LCHF has not only improved their BG numbers, but also lowered and improved their lipid profile. But you have to do what you are comfortable with.

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I still deal with this same dang challenge every single morning.

One of these days I will find the solution.
Have you tried Berberine? It made a huge difference. Over time it has gotten better. For the past month, my FBG has been 98-110, which is really good for me. I was in the 130-160 range for years.

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Have you tried Berberine? It made a huge difference. Over time it has gotten better. For the past month, my FBG has been 98-110, which is really good for me. I was in the 130-160 range for years.

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I have not tried this before. I just started looking into it after hearing your recommendation. I am going to research a bit more, but so far it sounds really promising.

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As far as LCHF, I realize you have some deep concerns given your medical history. You may want to do broader research on the topic in Keto forums and other places to get a good cross view into other people's experiences. Virtually everybody I've heard from says that LCHF has not only improved their BG numbers, but also lowered and improved their lipid profile. But you have to do what you are comfortable with.

Good luck.


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I have been on LCHF diet for about 11 months now and it SIGNIFICANTLY lowered my cholesterol. My doctor is extremely happy with my lipid profile now and its specifically because of the LCHF diet I am on. All of my research points to keto actually helping the good cholesterol and lowering the bad cholesterol. Many in the medical fields are skeptical but the ones who have studied keto and seen the patients results have all agreed it helps with many things in your body including cholesterol.

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I have been on LCHF diet for about 11 months now and it SIGNIFICANTLY lowered my cholesterol. My doctor is extremely happy with my lipid profile now and its specifically because of the LCHF diet I am on. All of my research points to keto actually helping the good cholesterol and lowering the bad cholesterol. Many in the medical fields are skeptical but the ones who have studied keto and seen the patients results have all agreed it helps with many things in your body including cholesterol.
I think there are many studies that show that eating fat does not cause you to get fat, and does not directly raise your lipids. Carbs raise your lipids.


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I have not tried this before. I just started looking into it after hearing your recommendation. I am going to research a bit more, but so far it sounds really promising.
Do a search here for Berberine. I posted a number of links to info on how it works and studies. It is not a drug, so info is a parse, but there is some compelling reports. If you can't find the links, let me know and I can dig them up and re-post.

One thing to consider is that Berberine is not a regulated medication, so quality and safety of supplements can vary widely.

I based my brand decisions on what other people were using. There was a correlation of effectiveness to specific brands. Some worked well, others did not.

The two brands I have personally used are Glycosolve and Thorne Research. Both are available on Amazon. Both work well for me. Some people said Thorne worked better, but the Thorne brand costs 2x more than Glycosolve. Given the results from the Glycosolve I am happy with that brand.

Also, you need to give it 3-4 weeks to ramp up and have any impact. Most people I followed said it did not cause any gastro issues like Metformin does. Many who cannot take Metformin, take Berberine.

However, I did have some gastro issues the first two weeks. Interesting as Metformin has never caused me any issues.

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This is really interesting. I may try the lemons. My family Dr will be taking my 1st FBS since I was told I had high blood sugar on my last 6 month visit. It was 119. He just told me to "cut down"....but, it scared me, since 120 was the number he showed me that was diabetic. So, I found this forum, read the How to Lower Your Blood Sugar (and related articles under the Blood Sugar 101), and went all the way, getting a meter, counting carbs, etc. I've been really good, keeping my carbs at 30-50 daily. I'm WAY underweight now with all this, too since I don't cook, AND (finally to the point) my FBS is STILL high in the mornings, with this morning's being 115, after a good day of eating, totalling 41 carbs....... So, when I go to him next month, and my FBS is still high, he won't believe I've been eating well...... He won't understand this at all.

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I used to bring my meter with to show my doctor what my regular numbers are.

These days I am not as likely to care what he has to say. LOLOL

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I just started taking it two days ago and got a ten point drop in my fasting glucose from 98 to 88. I've taken it in the past and it always constipated me even though it worked. I'm only taking a 500mg dose right now so we shall see if it constipates. So far no.

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