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Old 05-05-2016, 20:24   #1
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Have you dealt with the Dawn Phenomenon and actually found ways to overcome it?

Let me explain why I am asking.

I have never been able to get my fasting level down to the numbers that I see many of you posting. I never wake up to less than 125 and often times much higher. As soon as I eat something, it drops VERY rapidly. If I do not eat, continuing to fast does NOT bring it down. It will remain higher or even increase until I actually give in an eat. (My daytime numbers are NOT an issue - only fasting.)
  • I have tried daily fasting.
  • I have tried not eating after 5.
  • I have tried very low carb dinners.
  • I have tried a healthy carb snack at bedtime.
  • I have tried a small healthy snack in the middle of the night when I wake up to use the bathroom.
I even asked my doctor to increase my Metformin (and y'all already know I hate meds with a passion) and have seen literally NO significant change.

My fasting numbers simply continue to suck. What am I missing here?
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That sounds alot like what I went through. I tried all kinds of things but the only thing that worked for me was Lantus before bed. Maybe someone else has some suggestions if you don't want to go the insulin route.

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The only thing that has helped me is having a larger carb snack before bed or having an overall much, much lower calorie diet. When I lose about 20 pounds, I'll go a few weeks with numbers close to 100 or under 100. But, then, they go back to 114-127 even with no weight gain.

My theory for this is that it is caused by non-alcoholic fatty liver disease (which I know I have). Studies indicate that it is much harder to combat insulin resistance when you have this (and it's pretty common in obese patients, I don't know about just overweight or normal weight patients).

Now, this is my theory about ME. As you probably know, you can get similar results from various causes. But, do a little looking to see if it applies to you.

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I've never been more than about 20 pounds overweight in my life but I have to work very hard to keep it that way. I do have some thyroid and pituitary gland issues that could be related, but I am not certain.

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My BS numbers in the AM were around 150 to 160 every morning and were hard to bring down with just Metformin and low carb consumption. In December I went on Novolin R, at my request, but the morning BS numbers did not change much. Then in March I went on Novolin NPH at night beginning with 4 units building up to 20 units at bedtime. Whatever my reading is at bedtime, I am usually 10-15 numbers above that although sometimes I'm pretty close to even! Most times I'm now around 110 to 115 in the morning. I may bump up to 22 units of NPH but for now this is providing results... which I haven't seen in years!

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@Steve3129, did you experience weight gain from insulin?

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I've had good luck with levemir at night, though I still get a spike in the morning after I first wake up. Heh, the problem is there is a big difference between when I first wake up and when I finally get up!

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@Steve3129, did you experience weight gain from insulin?
I believe maybe 5lbs which I'll have to address with a reduction in calories. I expected some problem with weight gain but after 4 months, it hasn't been as much of a problem as I had expected. Gaining better control of my blood sugar is more important to me at the moment but with some weight loss would come a reduction in insulin which in turn would reduce weight gain... at least that's the plan!

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This may be very simple however this does work for me. If I have a glass of juice of one lemon at night before I Go to bed, this helps my FBG quite significantly. I also have a glass of water in the morning and then another lemon juice. I know this helps my FBG because if I get lazy and don't do it, I see FBS rise again.

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Interesting about the lemon juice. Is it only lemons or would other fruit work? Fresh lemons are hard to come by, but I always have the plastic lemon shaped squeeze bottle on hand. @moon was making cucumber water a few months ago and it sounded delicious too...

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