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Old 08-09-2012, 02:32   #31
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Thanks. I was trying to understand how you determine your readings. You are lucky to be able to eat those things

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Iceman, your carb counting goal of 120g sounds very reasonable to me. I am a type I diabetic and my insulin pump computer tells me that I eat about 210 carbs per day on average. It wasn't until recently that this ultra low carb/high fat diet became the fad in diabetes circles. When your new to diabetes, making sensible, modest adjustments in your diet, plus strict adhearence to taking your meds is what you need to do. For those of us on insulin, it is worth remembering that low blood sugar can kill much more quickly than kidney disease. As your disease progresses and you are having more trouble keeping your a1c around 7.0, consider more radical measures.

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Good to hear from you, Henry. Tell us your latest numbers, now that you're well acclimated to your pump.

Iceman is a non-insulin-dependent type 2, which is a far cry from where you are - a type 1 pumper. The low-carb/high-fat way-of-eating is not a fad by any stretch of imagination - it is a sensible food plan for NID type 2s who have no other options for lowering blood sugar than to eliminate carbohydrates. We "radical" diabetics shoot for A1c in the 5.0 range, 7.0 being way too high for us.




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I guess I'm a radical T1 pumper Shanny. I could never eat 120g of carbs per day. An A1c of 7.0 would be back out of control in my book

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You are, you really are, Marsha! And I love you for it!




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You remind me of my grandma and mom Shanny. Straight forward and to the point. Yet always with love and concern

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Good to hear from you, Henry. Tell us your latest numbers, now that you're well acclimated to your pump.

Iceman is a non-insulin-dependent type 2, which is a far cry from where you are - a type 1 pumper. The low-carb/high-fat way-of-eating is not a fad by any stretch of imagination - it is a sensible food plan for NID type 2s who have no other options for lowering blood sugar than to eliminate carbohydrates. We "radical" diabetics shoot for A1c in the 5.0 range, 7.0 being way too high for us.
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It's good to hear from you, and I'm glad to see that you are doing well with controling your diabetes. My last A1c was 7.3. My triglicerides, colesterol, kidney tests all looked great according to my doctor.

Maybe "Fad" is not a good or fair way to describe your approach to diabetes. I don't wish to trivialize something that is working well for you. But to me telling someone that describes himself as a "frustrated newbie," that he needs to be on a 60g, or better 30g daily carb diet is simply not helpful. In fact, I think it's about the last thing he needs to hear. I guess what really set me off was the following comment from tony0611:

"I suggest you immediately drop your carbs to half the amount you stated and if that does not work to the level you want then drop them further. It's really for you to decide whether the bread is a good enough reason to loose your eyesight or get a kidney failure ?"

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That doesn't change the fact that Iceman is "allergic" to carbs just like the rest of us - carbs raise his blood sugar just like the rest of us - you included. The other fact is that you can reduce your blood sugar levels with exogenous insulin. Others of us don't have that option, so we are faced with continuing high blood sugar if we insist on eating carbs. Sometimes we just have to do as Irving Berlin said, 'face the music and dance'. If you have never done low-carb/high-fat, you have no idea what a satisfying way-of-eating it is.




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That doesn't change the fact that Iceman is "allergic" to carbs just like the rest of us - carbs raise his blood sugar just like the rest of us - you included. The other fact is that you can reduce your blood sugar levels with exogenous insulin. Others of us don't have that option, so we are faced with continuing high blood sugar if we insist on eating carbs. Sometimes we just have to do as Irving Berlin said, 'face the music and dance'. If you have never done low-carb/high-fat, you have no idea what a satisfying way-of-eating it is.
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My father is 80 years old and has had type II diabetes for 15 years. His a1c stays in the 6.5 to 7.0 range and he is in excellent health. I think that he has a very good chance of making it past 90. All he has ever done it just eat very sensibly and take care of himself. If rice is served at dinner he has a little (15 to 20g) instead of a plate full. Mom and Dad tend to eat low fat and pseudo-vegetarian (red meat on rare occasions). It is doubtful that if I were to convince him to go on a low carb/high fat that it would extend his lifespan in the least.

I am not in the least trying to say that there is anything wrong with how you are managing your diabetes, in fact I am sure it is benefiting you. I believe the average ha1c for all type IIs is 9.0. There sure would be a lot less heart disease, stroke and early death generally if more type IIs simply did what my dad does. Going hardcore may be beneficial to diabetics such as yourself, but it is not for every type II, and it's definately not for beginners. They need some encouragement more than anything else.

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My father is 80 years old and has had type II diabetes for 15 years. His a1c stays in the 6.5 to 7.0 range and he is in excellent health. I think that he has a very good chance of making it past 90. All he has ever done it just eat very sensibly and take care of himself. If rice is served at dinner he has a little (15 to 20g) instead of a plate full. Mom and Dad tend to eat low fat and pseudo-vegetarian (red meat on rare occasions). It is doubtful that if I were to convince him to go on a low carb/high fat that it would extend his lifespan in the least.

I am not in the least trying to say that there is anything wrong with how you are managing your diabetes, in fact I am sure it is benefiting you. I believe the average ha1c for all type IIs is 9.0. There sure would be a lot less heart disease, stroke and early death generally if more type IIs simply did what my dad does. Going hardcore may be beneficial to diabetics such as yourself, but it is not for every type II, and it's definately not for beginners. They need some encouragement more than anything else.
It is Sunday now, but i'm not gonna preach, but I strongly disagree with your point of view. The mamby pamby attitude of encouragement, understanding, false hopes, and advise that is not based on the facts, is why T2 is becoming a rampant epidemic right now. Beginners and prebeginners need to know the truth about what the consequences of not controlling their BG honestly is. It needs to be a cold slap in the face, its a matter of life or death, loss of life or limb, honest, real world awakening. Giving them "its not so bad, just cut back a little and you'll be OK" is as bad or worse than the medical community just telling they need to lower their BG and nothing more on how to do it or why.

My take on your use of sensible eating (which has highly subjective meanings) and hardcore is that its OK to not be inconvenienced and too damn lazy to do all you can do to take care of yourself. I also take it that your definition of hardcore is my definition of sensible. Maintaining an A1c of 6.5 to 7.0 is keeping oneself in diabetic range and not sensible to me if I can avoid it. They may make it to 90 without further complications, or they may not. I hope my kids don't write me off at 80.

I'm not an uncaring, uncompassionate person, but if you want sympathy on this from me, it can be found somewhere between sh*t and syph*l*s in Webster's Dictionary.

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