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Old 08-12-2012, 07:17   #41
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Shanny, other mods, other viewers of the thread, sorry if my post sounds harsh or offensive, believe me when I say it is greatly toned down from my initial attempt of posting earlier in the afternoon on my phone. It didn't go through because my phone app rebooted before I could hit send and my response was lost. Maybe a good thing....

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I believe the average ha1c for all type IIs is 9.0. There sure would be a lot less heart disease, stroke and early death generally if more type IIs simply did what my dad does. Going hardcore may be beneficial to diabetics such as yourself, but it is not for every type II, and it's definately not for beginners. They need some encouragement more than anything else.
I honestly don't know what the average is, but the fact it is so high does map to the fact too many people die from and/or are disabled by complications. I don't intend to be one of them.

I'm not sure what you mean when you say 'it's not for beginners.'

My diet Feb 9, 2011:

low-fat everything, rice, fish, chicken breast in non-fat preparations, muesli, fruit, 2% milk, homemade ice cream, sweetened tea, bread, low-fat cheese, brie for rare treats, eggs soft-boiled or prepared in non-stick pans, potatoes w/ non-fat yogurt or whipped low-fat cottage cheese or non-fat sour cream (no butter ever), more fruit, lots of vegetables and salads w/ non-fat dressing ... and desserts, yes desserts.

My diet Feb 10, 2011:

Fried eggs, bacon, sausage, cream, sour cream, cheese, salads with blue cheese dressing, vegetables with butter, steak, dark chicken meat (always liked it better anyway), no low-fat anything, no bread, no potatoes, no sugar anything, no fruit, no muesli, no oatmeal, no milk ...

Okay, there was some transition time in learning what the heck contained carbs, but I slashed them on a dime, with time measured in weeks, not months or years. I was a rice addict and did not have another bite of rice after 2/9 ... nor my ritual breakfast muesli or oatmeal.

The difference between me and diabetics who don't do this often is nothing more than the fact I landed here, learned, and witnessed people being able to do it and got support. Other diabetics aren't given the information, and do not have a support team for this.

My mom is in assisted living with alzheimer's, and I have spent a lot of time there. There is a woman who also has alz, is diabetic, maybe 85 or so. They come in to check her blood sugar before her meal, and it's usually nothing I would accept for myself - maybe in the 130's. If it's >200 she gets an insulin shot. When it's <130 they congratulate her. She passes on desserts except her beloved 'sugar-free' ice cream, and eats potatoes with her meals. At first I was disturbed by her terrible care, and then realized - if she was my mom, I'd say let her have her ice cream too. She's not going to die from diabetes, Alz will take her first, and she has so few pleasures in her day. Do I think she needs to strive for an A1C in the mid 5's like I do? Naw - but I'm 61 and have my eye on 100 ... maybe!

So, I do think each individual has their own standard, given their own circumstances, and believe the important thing is for each diabetic to have solid information available to them to be able to come to an informed decision. Sadly, most diabetics don't have this, and think an A1C of 9 is okay because they're 'average.'

For the record, I don't think you've given up on your parents, and find that implication unfair. I agree that not every diabetic has to follow any set course, any particular number of carbs, or strive for exactly the same goals. This is a personal disease!

I concur that T2s need encouragement, but would argue it's as easy to encourage diabetics with accurate information as it is inaccurate.

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Shanny, other mods, other viewers of the thread, sorry if my post sounds harsh or offensive, believe me when I say it is greatly toned down from my initial attempt of posting earlier in the afternoon on my phone. It didn't go through because my phone app rebooted before I could hit send and my response was lost. Maybe a good thing....
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Iceman, your carb counting goal of 120g sounds very reasonable to me. I am a type I diabetic and my insulin pump computer tells me that I eat about 210 carbs per day on average. It wasn't until recently that this ultra low carb/high fat diet became the fad in diabetes circles. When your new to diabetes, making sensible, modest adjustments in your diet, plus strict adhearence to taking your meds is what you need to do. For those of us on insulin, it is worth remembering that low blood sugar can kill much more quickly than kidney disease. As your disease progresses and you are having more trouble keeping your a1c around 7.0, consider more radical measures.
Um, I'm not sure that's entirely accurate. Very low-carb/high fat was the standard treatment for diabetes since at least 150 years ago (and possibly 2000 years) right up until about 1970 when the current madness started.

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I remember a few years back after getting a 6.0 A1c and hearing the praise of Dr. on how well my modified 75g/day lc diet was working, and that none of his other patients were doing anything to compare..... Then in 2009 I had a heart attack at 58, even though I have no family history of heart disease. My new standard is A1c of 5 and less than 30 g/day - and the side effect is almost no chance of hypoglycemia, due to such low dosages of insulin to offset carbs. The Lord may take me tomorrow, but this way I know I am doing all I can. The pleasant surprise is it sounds much worse than it is.....it really does grow on you.

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Just for the record, it was not my original intention to launch a debate on the positives or negatives of an ultra low carb.

What I think is that a new diabetic is probably best served by following their doctors advice and also learning as much as they can about diabetes.

The fact is that there are a lot of diabetics who have achieved reasonable control of their diabetes without the ultra low carb diet. When the average ha1c is 9.0, 7.0 seems reasonable enough to me.

I don't wish to disparage anyone on the low carb diet, but the jury is still out on that one. If anyone is aware of studies that show that lc/hf diet is lowering the mortality rates of type IIs, type I or anyone else, I will be glad to look at them.

smorgan is correct that low carb diets were prescribed for diabetics, first half of the 20th century and earlier. smorgan is also aware, I am sure, that a lot more diabetics were diabetics were dying earlier, or living with poorer outcomes "before the madness began."

I think I have said as much as I care to on all of that.


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Unfortunately, anyone who listens only to his Dr./Dietician will likely not hear of an LCHF diet option.

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The issue is more what is acceptable blood sugar. LC/HF is only the tool by which some of us can get there.

The highest cause of death for diabetics (65%) is heart disease and stroke. Abnormal blood sugar, abnormal A1Cs, are the predictors - A1c and High Post-Meal Blood Sugars Predict Heart Attack - and a 7 A1C is not in normal range.

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Which is precisely my point. Why is it that the standard advice of doctors and dieticians to be maligned so much, yet the more contraversial and apparently untested advice is so much more celebrated on this forum?

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I think that those of us who limit carbs and don't limit fat may get a bit defensive because we are constantly under attack by the media. Since everyone is different, you can't point to any one person and say "do it that way". George Burns smoked cigars and lived a long time! But his body obviously had whatever genes made him resistant to lung cancer. Since we don't find out what genes we have until we die of something, I'd rather try to get my A1C to 5 point something, just in case.

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