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Old 12-29-2012, 18:32   #21
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Many doctors are like that (at least mine and yours are!). They tend to favor meds over lifestyle changes. When I first suggested that I tried to control my blood sugar naturally via diet and exercise (I haven't heard of low carb diet yet), he discouraged it and said that from his experience most of his patients don't have the discipline to go through with it. But thanks to this forum, which opened my eyes to the danger of Glipizide, I started low-carbing and exercising. I ultimately took myself off Glipizide (without even asking my md first), and now he is fine with it because I have the A1c to back it up.
My next A1C is due in April and even though I have been pigging out because of the holidays, I'm going to get back on Dr. Bernstein's regimen in a few days and really stick to it so that when I go back to the endo in 4 months, maybe my A1C will closer to 5 (most recent one was 6.3).

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Hi Mar2a,

I was curious about your comment on protein intake - can you give an example of how much protein you limit yourself to on a daily basis? I was always told that more protein would be better because it would be more filling and prevent over-carbing.

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There are a couple protein calculators on the web. But if i remember correctly it averages out to about 1g protein to 1kg lean body mass. So a 150 pound person would need about 75g protein. These are approximations and the actual calculations may be different.

Remember, excess protein gets converted to glucose and may result in a delayed increase in BG so it's best to keep protein to what your body needs.

I think there are links to a couple on this forum.

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Hi MyLady!

I'm sorry to hear what you are going through. I'm kind of there myself. From what you've written, it sounds like your doc immediately put you on meds first when you were diagnosed and didn't encourage plain diet and exercise - is that correct? That could be the problem.

I know that when I was diagnosed nearly two years ago, my doctor didn't give me meds right away and just told me to eat right and exercise for the first couple of months and we'll take it from there. I knew absolutely nothing about diabetes at the time, but thankfully I found this website and from the first night of diagnosis, I found out what I was supposed to eat and how exercise would affect my BS. So I went into action - for the first three months, I ate very low carb, about 30 carbs a day (Dr. Richard Bernstein's diet) - and took long walks in the park for about two hours. When I went back to my doctor, she was amazed. My AIC had dropped from 11.3 down to a near 6 and I had lost 30 pounds. She literally called me her "star patient" and said she had never seen this happen before. I told her fear is a great cure-all. So, YES, it CAN be done with just diet and exercise - as long as you have that fear.

Somewhere along the way, I lost the fear. Things went downhill. I had some personal and financial setbacks, which stressed me out so much I went back to my "normal" way of stress eating, which included Ben & Jerry's for breakfast. I found myself suddenly near homelessness and had to eat high-carb stuff from food banks (pasta, rice and such) and my health and BS spun out of control.

I went to an endo, who put me on meds like Metformin, Januvia, and others that did absolutely nothing for me. I am now on Lantus insulin, which in the beginning gave me great morning numbers (70's and 80'). Then, I fell off the wagon again with these damn holidays and all the food around. For the past two months, I've been waking up in the low 100's (110-130), which isn't as bad as your numbers, but scaring me because I'd been in the "normal" range.

So, basically, I am where you are - I have gained back all the weight I lost - plus more - and my diet is a roller-coaster. HOWEVER, I must say this: I gave myself permission to pig out on Christmas leftovers and today I am paying the price for it. I ate so much junk yesterday that my side is cramping and I feel nauseus. It just IS NOT worth it. I figured I would get it all out of my system and then start new on January 1, back on the Bernstein diet. But I have to learn to set limits - I am a major stress eater with major stress going on, so I have to become more disciplined. I am realizing that I'll give myself permission to eat tasty stuff on Thanksgiving & Christmas, but only for one day and get rid of all the leftovers.

So, New Years Day I do plan to take back my life and my diet and my control over Diabetes instead of letting it control me. You CAN do it with just diet and exercise but it will be a little more difficult if you are on a medication that promotes weight gain. Maybe talk to your endo about just doing Metformin along with diet and exercise. Hopefully, you will see some great results!

Hi Moosha
I like your down to earth attitude about things and your honesty.I need a shove some times,I become dishearten after all this time .I know it sounds a little crazy but I don't want to try and fail.I'm afraid after all this time that my pancreas is to damaged to do it on it's on.Is there a time usually when your pancreas can't take over by diet?How many years does that take?
The day after christmas I started eating better but I believe with a little encouragement I could do a lot better.

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Hi Moosha
I like your down to earth attitude about things and your honesty.I need a shove some times,I become dishearten after all this time .I know it sounds a little crazy but I don't want to try and fail.I'm afraid after all this time that my pancreas is to damaged to do it on it's on.Is there a time usually when your pancreas can't take over by diet?How many years does that take?
The day after christmas I started eating better but I believe with a little encouragement I could do a lot better.

We're all here to "push and shove" you ! It is super hard to do, but remember that it CAN be done. I'm giving myself permission to go out to dinner and have what I want once a month as a treat and then give myself a dessert and drink on my birthday and then have whatever I want on holidays, but ONLY on that one day - no leftovers. I think you have to come up with your own rules - only you know your discipline level.

As for your question about the pancreas, I'm not very knowledgable about the medical side of diabetes (although I should be). I think Shanny might be your best bet!

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Hi,
I had Diabetes Type 2 for several years and it was getting worse and I was quickly heading to Type 1.
I got a scare on what the effects of Type 1 could be - and to be honest I hated sticking myself with the prick thing which monitors your Diabetes with the blood droplet - I never seemed to get the right amount of blood - and my fingers became quite sore.....and I found a group in America, who were clearing Diabetes Type 2 and in some instances Type 1 Diabetes, by diet alone and some exercise and decided to try for myself and I have been Diabetes free for over 2 years now, however I still take 1 Diamicron 60mg daily with my breakfast as a control pill.

When I told my doctor I had cleared Diabetes Type 1, she was prune faced about it and said I would not be able to clear it for long. 3 months later, after my second blood test (done 3 monthly here) I was still clear and in fact was back to a normal range of 6.1 and have been ever since and then she had to be more enthusiastic and complemented me on clearing it.

Personally, I think that Doctors like any other worker, have to earn money to pay for their bills and lifestyles and anyone who gets Diabetes, is pretty much a potential cash cow for a doctor with all of the pills, tests and everything else they have to undertake in the name of care and prevention, when, in some cases, it is possible to clear Diabetes by diet and exercise alone, as I have done.

I mentioned my methods some time back, on this forum and was given an ear bashing by some of the other Diabetes sufferers, who doubted my cure and pointed out, in no uncertain terms, that everyone's Diabetes is different and my methods would harm or potentially make other Diabetes sufferers worse, because their food intakes required food which I denied from my diet, so with that in mind, I mention this caution here.

Using the American model, I have removed all sugars, salt and fat from my diet, cut down on the amount of food I eat and refuse to drink any alcoholic drinks or drinks and foods which are not 99% fat and sugar free - I don't smoke, along with a regular daily brisk walk of 30 minutes or more (although I've been lazy of late and not been doing the walking I should - 35C to 40C in the shade is just a bit too hot for me, our summertime heat now.

Diabetes Type 2 is a lifestyle choice, indicated by a pot belly (although I had mine since birth) and an obese body, as are the many complications which might occur as the disease progresses.

If you take medication prescribed by your Doctor, continue to do so.

2 years ago I weighed 118kg, a random blood test showed 10, where the line which determines Diabetes free, from Diabetes Type 2, is 7.0, my piss was a deep yellow with bits of material floating in it, which indicated the beginnings of organ failure and I was progressing towards Type 1 Diabetes which would have eventually meant sticking myself with a needle and injecting insulin presumably and other procedures I prefer not to think about.

I decided at a specific point in time to stop the progression of Diabetes, to reverse the process and if I could, get rid of Diabetes altogether – I have been Diabetes Type 2 free, for over 2 years so far.

Either way, my diet below, is simple and effective when you fast walk, for 20 plus minutes, daily, as well, which is a must and you lose weight automatically, you simply can’t help yourself from doing so.

In the medical updates which I have read with interest, it seems that my diet is also a way of protecting my body against heart and brain related diseases, especially as I get older than my 65 years.

The lighter you, the better control over your Diabetes and the longer your life.

I settled on the enclosed diet of 2,500 Calories each day.
Breakfast:
2 x eggs raw.
2 serves of 2 biscuits of Weetbix = 4
1 Tablespoon of low fat dried milk powder, mixed with water, or low fat milk.
3 pieces of fruit (Advocado, Apple & a Banana) I liquidise the fruit into a smoothie which I drink with my tablets – prior to my morning fast walk.

Snack 10am (after the daily morning walk).
Handful of nuts
1 piece of fruit,
Sticks of Celery.
Mug of water

Lunch 12.30 pm
1 x 130g to 200g can of raw fish in brine: Salmon, Herring, Sardines, Mackerel, Tuna, etc
1 x piece of fruit, as above.
Mug of water

Afternoon snack
2 mugs of juiced carrots with Apple or celery sticks.
Piece of fruit, as above
Mug of water

Dinner:
Usual meal, minimise portions to reduce amount of food the body needs, however without salt, fat or sugar related products

If you enjoy a drink, try to drink sugar free drinks

I used to get fatigue around 2pm through to about 4pm and could never work out why I always felt tired then. The solution was quite straight forward. Eating the 1 x 130g to 200g can of fish in brine, at lunchtime, recharged my energy banks for most of the afternoon and made me awake and aware of what was happening around me, even when I felt physically tired and that has in itself, changed my life and my enjoyment of life enormously.

Of course and it goes without saying, I must eat and drink no sugar related products which includes no alcohol of any type and although I have never smoked, giving up smoking, is a must too.

If you think that giving up alcohol, sugar drinks and smoking is too much – then remember you are doing so for your life and continuing to live for as long as you possibly can vs an unpleasant, slow and perhaps, un-necessary death.

So what’s the upside? For the last 2 years I have been Diabetes Type 2 free with a normal blood sugar reading of 6.1 from my 3 monthly blood tests. My body organs have regenerated to full health, including my eyes which were failing.

I am in my mid 60’s and I intend to never have Diabetes Type 2 again.

I hope my diet and exercise plan, which is simplicity itself and the cure, automatic, will help those of you willing to give it a try and I would be happy to support and encourage everyone willing to give themselves a second chance with my diet, through this forum.

BigBenn

You might want to lighten up about Diabetes Type 2 being strictly a "lifestyle choice". Plenty of people would disagree with that, especially those who are thin and eat healthy and STILL get diagnosed with Type 2.

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Hi Moosha,
I have never heard of thin people having Diabetes.

From what I have seen here in Aussie, people, who like myself were overweight and obese, are the people who get Diabetes, Heart Disease, Liver complications and other delightful problems, generally related to being over 95kg heavy.

If there are thin people on this forum who weigh 95kg or less and are thin, I sure would like to hear what they have to say about their Diabetes and how they got it, unless Type 1, which I understand is because the liver does not produce any insulin and it has to be injected, instead - which is just bad luck - There, but for the grace of God, go I.

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Hi Benn,

While I agree that our over-processed diets play a huge part in Type 2, so does genetics, and I do know people who were thin and healthy when diagnosed.

You can check out an article on "Blood Sugar 101" entitled "You Did Not Eat Your Way To Diabetes". It will explain a lot.

You Did NOT Eat Your Way to Diabetes. The REAL Causes.

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Hi Moosha,
Thanks for the blurb, I read it with much interest and at the very bottom of the article, the last paragraph in fact, it had this to say: You CAN Undo the Damage
No matter what your genetic heritage or the environmental insults your genes have survived, you can take steps right now to lower your blood sugar, eliminate the secondary insulin resistance caused by high blood sugars, and start the process that leads back to health. The pages linked here will show you how.

How To Get Your Blood Sugar Under Control

What Can You Eat When You Are Cutting The Carbs?

What is a Normal Blood Sugar

Research Connecting Blood Sugar Level with Organ Damage

The 5% Club: They Normalized Their Blood Sugar and So Can You

I guess that puts me in the 5% club - the whole point of my diet and my arguments above.

My diet sucks. I don't like it at all. I would willingly make a pig of myself if I could, just as some of you have said they did, using Christmas as an excuse.

However, for me, there is one thing I don't want above all else and to achieve that result, I will do whatever I must to keep my Diabetes under strict control, bearing in mind I'm 66 now and although I don't want to live forever and I certainly don't want to ever be reborn and come back, again....lol....I also want to live into my 80's or 90's if I can and I don't want a Diabetes controlled breakdown of my body and snip, snip and chop, chop as my veins fail and gangrene takes over, leaving me as a body in a wheelchair with nothing else to do, but rely on someone else until my Diabetes finishes me off, once and for all - as I see occasionally, from time to time.
It never ceases to amaze me, how easy it was for me to get my Diabetes under control and to lose weight - on my diet, it just happened. I did not cheat myself and I refused all alcohol and I've never smoked and if someone offers me booze, I say no and I'm a Diabetic, but I have it under control (and if that makes me odd man out, so be it)
It never ceases to amaze me how the majority of you will never face the truth of the simplicity of my diet, or now, this article, which you put up for me to read, also echoes my sentiments exactly - but find excuses about why you don't want to change your habits or lifestyle, because they are ingrained in you and too hard, or you don't want to be seen as different in your peer groups.
What a price to pay, in the long term.
This then is my offer to each and every one of you who don't have your diabetes under control as described in the last paragraph of this article, which has nothing to do with me, is not something I was aware of until Moosha put it up, so the blame - if any - is on him......If you have the balls and the belief in your convictions, join me in the 5% club, either with my diet, or the diet described in this article - I dare each and every one of you.
BigBenn

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BigBenn.... not sure why you're coming across as so hostile, many of us here do have our diabetes under control and are here to help those who are struggling, not condemn them for not being in control. And some of us will never have the "balls" but might have the "ovaries", yet having either of those only helps if you know the right steps to take in order to get healthy.

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bigbenn - intolerance is not friendly, and this forum is one of the few friendly diabetes sites still on-line.

We have a saying here - "your milage may vary" (YMMV). It has been shown time and time again that what may work for one person may or may not work for another. That's why we try to avoid comments that put others down for not doing a thing a certain way.

If you take a look at the signatures of many of the members here you'll find that they are at the same place, or even a better place (lower A1C) than you. Everyone got where they are through their own efforts and through tailoring their diet and meds to meet their own particular needs.

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