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Old 03-21-2013, 15:47   #1
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So, I'm trying to get the liver dumping under control through various experiments, both in the mornings and throughout the day when I haven't eaten. Luckily, I've found snacks that work and don't work. In the afternoon, it appears to be happening around the 4 hr mark, so if I eat before that then I can beat it and my levels won't go up. So, my question is, if I don't catch it in time, should I refrain from eating until it goes back down? I'm totally confused about this, as it inevitably goes up when I eat. Same thing for the morning, which I can't necessarily prevent as it's started by the time I'm aware of it. Maybe it's dawn phenomenon, but regardless it's going to go up in the morning and if I eat something it just goes up more. Granted, the degree to which it continues to rise is dependent on the nutritional levels, but even if I really low carb it with just eggs or something similar it continues to rise more, which kinda sucks. To eat or not to eat.....during dumps? Thoughts?

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I have a problem with DP but regardless of the BS reading, I usually have an avocado for breakfast with some sour cream on it. Nutritionally there are carbs in this food but the net effect is around 3-4 carbs, lots of fat and some protein. From there my numbers go down by lunch. That's just me but I do not refrain from eating because my BS number is high.

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You need to eat something low-carb. Sausage stick? Boiled egg? Cheese?

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I agree with the above reply. I usually have a piece of cheese after 8 hours fasting and sleep again. I have my dinner early around 7 PM so my fasting levels are least till 3-4 AM. I wake up check fasting, have a little cheese and sleep. I wake up usually with the same fasting number. For some reason i dont experience liver dump in the afternoons though.

Also, if i take a nap after lunch or sleep straight after dinner then my BG goes around 10 points higher than it would if i dont take that nap. Not sure if that happens with you too.

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So, is it fair to say that basically you guys don't modify your snack based upon your current reading? For example, if your normal snack is two pieces of cheese, you wouldn't eat just one because your glucose levels are already up there? I guess my train of thought would be that I shouldn't eat as much if my body has already dumped out glucose, but I should eat enough to signal that I'm not starving. So confusing.

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So, is it fair to say that basically you guys don't modify your snack based upon your current reading? For example, if your normal snack is two pieces of cheese, you wouldn't eat just one because your glucose levels are already up there? I guess my train of thought would be that I shouldn't eat as much if my body has already dumped out glucose, but I should eat enough to signal that I'm not starving. So confusing.
How long have you been low carbing it and are you consistent at it?

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If the liver got the signal to dump glucose in the blood, you do need to eat something so that the signal ceases and it doesn't continue to do so. However, since T2s don't have a 1st phase insulin response, our pancreas won't immediately put out any insulin to cover the glucose. But about an hour later the 2nd phase insulin kicks in and it will then slowly lower BG.

The best strategy is to beat the liver to it and eat something before it gets the signal that BG is going low and we need some glucose.

Another strategy would be to deplete the liver's store of glycogen so that when it gets the dump signal, there's not so much available and the amount of glucose it provides is minimal, thereby having less of a BG rise. This is accomplished by being in ketosis. Doesn't happen immediately, but over time. I can now usually ride out the liver dumps because they don't raise my BG more than 20 pts.

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Tricky question. I've been watching carbs for a year or so but wasnt checking as often as I should. When I got my A1C back, I started checking at different times and noticed some crazy increases occurring when I didn't think they were happening at all. Yesterday for example, I checked my levels 4 hrs after lunch and I was awesome. Didn't eat anything right then, and when I checked at 5 they had risen on their own. So, even though i wasnt really hungry and just to be responsible, I decided to eat a third of an apple with peanut butter (which normally would be fine at the 4 hour mark) but it then caused me to raise up exponentially since my body had already dumped glucose. So, I feel like I gave myself a double-whammy. Going back to my question, makes me wonder if I should've eaten less of the snack once my body started the increase. Does that make any sense?

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...wonder if I should've eaten less of the snack once my body started the increase. Does that make any sense?
What makes more sense is to not eat carby foods for a snack. Stick to fatty ones with very few carbs. Even a half an apple, and even with peanutbutter (which also has carbs), my BG would have spiked. I'd have had that peanutbutter on celery.

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Like said above, either you eat a fat/protein before the dump starts usually after 4-6 hours fasting or deplete your body's stored glycogen. That way your liver doesn't have the glucose to dump. One can use high intensity exercise to good effect in this balance.

Apples will keep your glucose reserves updated.

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