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Old 05-27-2013, 21:26   #21
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My main problem with totally giving up carbs is what else to eat. not live on protein and fat alone or can I? I'm already hungry after haven't eaten two hot dogs and my serving of vegetables. I'm afraid I will get to cranky and irritable if I don't have enough food in me. just back to the same ol question then what do you replace carbs with? if I am looking down on my plate what should I see?

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You replace carbs with fats - period. Instead of a bite of something carby, you eat a bite of something fatty.




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I'll give you my opinion, and others may have very different opinions. For breakfast, it's pretty easy. Eggs and bacon or a meat of your choice would do the trick. For lunch, I'd have maybe some ham or other type of meat with a little homemade, low carb dressing on the side. I'd finish it with some greek yogurt or have a little cottage cheese or two cheese sticks. For dinner, I'd have a meat or poultry choice and some greens on the side - no where near 3/4 of a cup and they'd be all low starch choices, like spinach or other greens. I'd never go near corn or carrots in ketosis, personally. If still hungry, I'd add a few olives to my plate and perhaps a few strips of bacon. Dinner for me is oftentimes a cheeseburger with no bun, and an avocado on the side. Again, others may differ, but that's an idea of how I do it. At each meal, I usually have coffee and sometimes add heavy cream to it.

I wrote this at the same time Shanny wrote hers - for meals and snacks, I'd do exactly that. Reach for something high fat with as little carbs as possible. Once you start, it's really not that hard, in my opinion. You get into the groove of it real easy, once you start. The foods you eat are mostly high fat, so it curbs the hunger too.

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We've been around this bush several times, but you replace them with fat! When will you get it into your head that that is the 'secret' and make some fat bombs and have a couple when you feel hungry. Do you have a problem with portion size? We've advised you about the frozen mixed vegetable.

Sorry if this comes across grumpy, but you keep asking the same questions hoping, I guess, for another answer but there is none.

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I'm trying to stay at only 50 carbs.
I figured if I had the carbs via veggies that that would be safe. I'm not trying to eat a ton of carbs. thanks ok, I didn't take it the wrong way, it is hard sometimes when not talking to a person to get a point across, LOL, its all good but I just want anyone reading this to know that I am NOT trying to cheat on this thing that I am trying to do 50 carbs min.

Its possible I just wont be able to do it but I figured just trying would be worth a try. I don't even know how many iv'e eaten today but the most at one sitting was 17 from the veggies. My Bg has not been above 106 all day including fasting at 96 this a.m.

I may not make it to ketosis but the fact that I've lowered my carbs drastically for today, one day at a time is a good thing in and of its self. I've unfortunately been hungry a lot today. I've been eyeballing this bag of chips my grandkids left on the counter, grrrrr..

right now my husband went to DQ with them for helping him with yard work...do I feel deprived? heck yay! but it is what it is and i'm going to do my best if not better from here on out! I've had enough slip ups time to move on.

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This is just an opinion, so take it for whatever it's worth. If you're serious about going into ketosis, you may want to rethink having 17 grams of carbs at one, single meal. When I wanted to go into ketosis, I really boned down and paid attention to everything I was eating. I counted the carbs in everything, including cheese, the traces of carbs in eggs, and everything else.

Don't take this the wrong way, as it's totally not intended to sound snippy but I can't think of another way to word it. From the past several posts I've read from you about ketosis, it sounds like you really do want to be in ketosis, but you keep trying to find work-arounds for maintaining high carb levels while doing so. I'm sure I don't have to tell you the many benefits of ketosis, as you likely already know them. I'm just saying, you may be better off on taking that plunge and just doing it - cut the carbs, the 17 grams at a meal, and everything else. You know the lists and lists of foods that would get you into ketosis the best. They're the foods that are truly with the lowest amount of carbs. Instead of inching your way towards it or playing with how many grams you can eat, just do it! Cut them and you'll get there!

My best to you, and I look forward to hearing about your progress!

 
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ok, well I had one of them fat fast thingys and it did nothing for my appetite..maybe I just need to get use to smaller portions..
I will keep on keeping on.

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We've been around this bush several times, but you replace them with fat! When will you get it into your head that that is the 'secret' and make some fat bombs and have a couple when you feel hungry. Do you have a problem with portion size? We've advised you about the frozen mixed vegetable.

Sorry if this comes across grumpy, but you keep asking the same questions hoping, I guess, for another answer but there is none.

Good luck,

 
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Thank you Mary for that yummy meal! I'm hungry just reading it, lol. I'm going to go have some cheese and peanuts and careful on the peanuts! thanks!

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I'll give you my opinion, and others may have very different opinions. For breakfast, it's pretty easy. Eggs and bacon or a meat of your choice would do the trick. For lunch, I'd have maybe some ham or other type of meat with a little homemade, low carb dressing on the side. I'd finish it with some greek yogurt or have a little cottage cheese or two cheese sticks. For dinner, I'd have a meat or poultry choice and some greens on the side - no where near 3/4 of a cup and they'd be all low starch choices, like spinach or other greens. I'd never go near corn or carrots in ketosis, personally. If still hungry, I'd add a few olives to my plate and perhaps a few strips of bacon. Dinner for me is oftentimes a cheeseburger with no bun, and an avocado on the side. Again, others may differ, but that's an idea of how I do it. At each meal, I usually have coffee and sometimes add heavy cream to it.

I wrote this at the same time Shanny wrote hers - for meals and snacks, I'd do exactly that. Reach for something high fat with as little carbs as possible. Once you start, it's really not that hard, in my opinion. You get into the groove of it real easy, once you start. The foods you eat are mostly high fat, so it curbs the hunger too.

 
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Chances are very, very good that you are. However, the only way to know for sure is get a blood ketone meter and measure.
Thank you! I will look into getting one of those meters.

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ok, well I had one of them fat fast thingys and it did nothing for my appetite..maybe I just need to get use to smaller portions..
I will keep on keeping on.
I suspect portion control will be crucial for you. You've been accustomed to mindlessly eating - just grabbing a handful of something and nibbling away. It is clear from your posts that you are improving in this - you are more aware of what you are eating - but you still have a ways to go before you get that impulse snacking under control. And even further before you get to the point where you can make actual good choices about food. The great thing, however, is that you are making progress!

Eating a ketogenic diet requires a lot of forethought and preparation and discipline. For a "mindless" eater like yourself, it is not easy. You have to wrap your head around certain concepts and completely change your attitude toward food. Learning to be satisfied with a set portion is the next step.

Because I find it hard to do anything without a plan (and because I'm geeky that way), I thought you might like to know what your calorie and gram counts look like if we try to calculate a ketogenic diet plan using your 17 grams of (starchy vegetable) carbs per meal as a starting point.
The calculations assume that you are eating ONLY three meals per day, NO snacks.

Edited to add: I used a 70% fat - 20% protein - 10% carb macro proportion of total calories in these calculations.

Per Meal

17 grams of carbs (68 calories)
34 grams of protein (136 calories)
53 grams of fat (477 calories)
680 total calories per meal

Per Day

51 grams of carbs (204 calories)
102 grams of protein (408 calories)
159 grams of fat (1,428 calories)
2,040 total calories per day

I have no idea whether these numbers are actually appropriate for you.

This means you must be very careful not to add any carbs with your fat and protein choices, otherwise you will quickly change your macro proportions out of the ketogenic range. Personally, I doubt you will ever achieve ketosis as long as you eat starchy vegetables - but it is a start.

Good luck on your journey.

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Here I will tell you what I've eaten today so far:

Half turkey burger (calories I don't know) zero carbs
green beans 30 calories 5 carbs
fat fast 243 calories 2 carbs from my cream cheese 8 carbs from peanut butter
sugar free jello with whipped cream 40 calories and 4 carbs combined
1 giant turkey burger with cheese on top and a pat of real butter and unfortunately light mayo 100 calories butter and zero carbs and mayo was a tablespoon 2 carbs

so far that is all that I've eaten today.
My husband said I am pale looking before I ate the last turkey burger and I could feel it because I was so hungry.

so you see I am trying. I do have a big appetite and I can eat more then my husband. I'm not a big girl with a big appetite, I am 5'2 and I weigh 171 but it is pretty evenly distributed and most people say I do not look overweight but am classified as obese, I am 56 years old and I do have some hangups about not having enough food in me. I do tend to get false hypo's if I don't eat enough, if I go places I panic without food because of the false hypo's. I have some issues and I need to work on them but i'm trying. that is all I can say.
Thank you so much for doing all that for me. I hope this helps to better understand what I am doing and eating on this end.
that bag of chips that was laying on the counter/well I went to have one, just one because I got so hungry and thankfully the bag was empty! hahhahahaha on me! LOL so happy it was too!

I guess maybe in the end for me ketosis isn't an option right now anyways. However I am going to have the fat fast snacks as snacks because I know I do not get enough fats.
I'm really trying to wrap my head around of this but I do have some mental blocks so thanks for your patience in educating me..it does help. I'm a slow learner so it takes me a while to get things stuck in my head.



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I suspect portion control will be crucial for you. You've been accustomed to mindlessly eating - just grabbing a handful of something and nibbling away. It is clear from your posts that you are improving in this - you are more aware of what you are eating - but you still have a ways to go before you get that impulse snacking under control. And even further before you get to the point where you can make actual good choices about food. The great thing, however, is that you are making progress!

Eating a ketogenic diet requires a lot of forethought and preparation and discipline. For a "mindless" eater like yourself, it is not easy. You have to wrap your head around certain concepts and completely change your attitude toward food. Learning to be satisfied with a set portion is the next step.

Because I find it hard to do anything without a plan (and because I'm geeky that way), I thought you might like to know what your calorie and gram counts look like if we try to calculate a ketogenic diet plan using your 17 grams of (starchy vegetable) carbs per meal as a starting point.
The calculations assume that you are eating ONLY three meals per day, NO snacks.

Edited to add: I used a 70% fat - 20% protein - 10% carb macro proportion of total calories in these calculations.

Per Meal

17 grams of carbs (68 calories)
34 grams of protein (136 calories)
53 grams of fat (477 calories)
680 total calories per meal

Per Day

51 grams of carbs (204 calories)
102 grams of protein (408 calories)
159 grams of fat (1,428 calories)
2,040 total calories per day

I have no idea whether these numbers are actually appropriate for you.

This means you must be very careful not to add any carbs with your fat and protein choices, otherwise you will quickly change your macro proportions out of the ketogenic range. Personally, I doubt you will ever achieve ketosis as long as you eat starchy vegetables - but it is a start.

Good luck on your journey.

 
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