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Old 08-26-2013, 22:31   #1
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Hey everyone been a long time since i have been on here. but yes i am still around and up here in alaska.

recently i watched a video called Sick, Fat and nearly dead. the guy in the video Jon Cross would have almost been my twin, except he has a skin condition and i have type 2, and High BP, and extreen Triglicerieds. still a heartattack wating to happen.

I had really been struggeling with both my weight and my FBG. I 140 was normal for my morning readings and often i was 160+. my weight was also starting to jump again, and not in the right direction.

in the video jon goes on a 60 day jucice fast. 80% vegitable and 20% fruit. and loses 60+ pounds.

I decided to try this juice fast thing so being type 2 i dont use quite as much fruit to try and reduce the fuctose.
a week after juicing my FBG was down to 124, 3 days later it was 102. now my morning FBG was 82. I have spoke to my Dr. and we are reducing my Gipizide because i was starting to struggle to stay above 80 on my BG.

I know my freinds here are Low Carb, and Protien/fat Paleo type diet people and i agree. but i am wondering what your thoughts are on a juice clense, to help detox a person.

for me i have been doing this for 16 days and my weight is down 25lbs. and i am feeling great. and it feels wonderful to be taking less meds for my DB instead of more.

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It's good to have you back, Tracy, and I can't argue with what's working for you. Keep us posted and let us know if you're able to combine these methods - juicing & LCHF.




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Tracy, I'm a fairly new member, as you can see and I have a question. What specific vegetables (and fruit) are you juicing? I presume you have a juicing machine to reduce vegetables to liquid form. LCHF is working well for me, with the exception of my Dawn Phenomena and hasn't really worked to reduce weight for me like it has others. Congratulations on the improved numbers and weight loss!!!

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Tracy, where is protein coming from? I'm unfamiliar with that diet, so just wondering.




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Old 08-27-2013, 17:25   #5
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i get protien from the green leafy veggies, Kale, Spinich, Chard. and while it would be hard to eat enough of these veggies to get sufficent protien and nutrients by juicing them i can get way more of them in a condensed form with out all the excess vegatble fiber.
I use a centrifugal juicer from brevell. it does a real nice job.
i juice a lot of kale, chard, cucumbers, celery, beets, carrots, jalapinos, serranos, tomatoes, celantro, and parsley. for my veggies. the fruit i use is mostly apples, oranges and lemons and sometimes blueberries.

i do want to point out that one of the great things i learned from here is to eat to your meter. and that is how i juice too. I test often to see how my body handles diffrent things. and so far my body is very happy.
my FBG this morning was 96. and the only DB med i am currently taking is metformine. and my blood pressure is at 126/76 and as of this morning i am currently 27.4 lbs lighter then i was 17 days ago. adn no i do not feel like i am starving either.

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Follow up 5/12:A1C: 5.4 FBG: 105 Wieght: 279
follow up 11/12:A1C:5.7 FBG: 118 Wieght: 284
follow up 7/13:A1C:5.9 FBG: 130 WEight: 310

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Old 08-27-2013, 19:16   #6
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Unbelievably, it appears you COULD get protein from those things. I wouldn't have thought that until I looked. However, it looks like you'd have to juice a half kilo of each of the major ones just to get 1110 calories. If you could get all that down, it would give you 63g of protein at 15% of total calories which is reasonable.

However, you'd be taking in a whopping 228g of carbs at only 1110 calories or 76% of your calories. This will result in a LOT of glucose and is not likely to be helpful for diabetes management long-term even if meter readings look good short-term because of the "slowness" of the carbs involved and the highly restricted total calories.

With only 11g of fat, that is dangerously low and likely to be harmful to important things like brain, nerve cells and cell walls generally. This is probably not a good idea at all long-term.

That's my take/opinion on the matter, anyway.

Grams Calories %-Cals
Calories
1,110
Fat
11.1
94
8
%
Saturated
1.7
14
1
%
Polyunsaturated
4.6
39
3
%
Monounsaturated
1.1
9
1
%
Carbohydrate
227.8
850
76
%
Dietary Fiber
74.5
Protein
63.3
169
15
%


Kale, raw

250
3.5
50.0
16.5

Spinach, raw

115
1.9
18.1
14.3

Chard, raw

95
1.0
18.7
9.0

Cucumber, raw

60
0.8
10.8
2.9

Celery, raw

80
0.8
14.8
3.4

Beets, raw

215
0.8
47.8
8.1

Carrots, raw

205
1.2
47.9
4.6

Tomatoes, raw
Spinach, raw
Chard, raw
Cucumber, raw
Celery, raw
Beets, raw
Carrots, raw
Tomatoes, raw

That's 4kg of raw vegetables! Even after juicing, I'm not sure how easy it would be to consume all that.

Also, while total grams of protein looks reasonable, being from plant sources these proteins are no doubt seriously deficient or "unbalanced" in amino acids (amino acid mix not compatible with human needs). This means that much of it can't be used by the body. Once the needed proteins for cell repair are assembled from the available amino acids, all the leftover ones which couldn't be combined into human (animal) protein have to be gotten rid of by the kidneys and contribute little to the system except uric acid.

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Once the needed proteins for cell repair are assembled from the available amino acids, all the leftover ones which couldn't be combined into human (animal) protein have to be gotten rid of by the kidneys and contribute little to the system except uric acid.
... and, GLUCOSE.

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... and, GLUCOSE.
Correct. Approximately half of the many amino acids can be converted to glucose while the other half cannot and go to the kidneys for disposal. I realized I had forgotten that after posting.

As far as which amino acids are glucogenic, I'm not sure if there is a difference in plant protein amino acid mix from animal in that regard. I usually see "half" as a reasonable estimate in general.

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Correct. Approximately half of the many amino acids can be converted to glucose while the other half cannot and go to the kidneys for disposal. I realized I had forgotten that after posting.

As far as which amino acids are glucogenic, I'm not sure if there is a difference in plant protein amino acid mix from animal in that regard. I usually see "half" as a reasonable estimate in general.
I actually looked it up a few weeks ago!

Glucogenic amino acid - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"Only leucine and lysine are not glucogenic."

Not sure the ratio of plants is worse than animal proteins. Gave up trying to find out, since I am not going there anyhow ... (namaste!)

Another good source ... http://www.biocarta.com/pathfiles/glucogenicPathway.asp

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Plant proteins can be carefully combined so that all 8 essential amino acids are acquired. Animal based proteins are much more compatible with the human body and contain all the AAs we need in each source in appropriate and compatible proportions. In the following quote, the author only stumbled in falling for the Lipid Myth which skewed the overall logic. Bottom line is that it is possible to get all needed protein without animal sources but much trickier and riskier. Even if your total protein is less than actual need, but the AA combination is less than ideal, some of that protein (i.e., amino acids) is going to get turned into glucose or excreted.

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Essential Amino Acids
Essential acids are those that the body can't make for itself. These include tryptophan, methionine, leucine, lysine, isoleucine, histidine, threonine, phenylalanine and valine. Those that are most often of concern, called limiting amino acids, are lysine, methionine and tryptophan, since most plant-based foods are low in one or more of these amino acids.
Nonessential Amino Acids
Some other amino acids may be conditionally essential, meaning you may need to get more of them from your diet if you are sick or under stress, including cysteine, proline, serine, tyrosine, arginine, glutamine, ornithine and glycine. The other nonessential amino acids, which your body can make in sufficient amounts, are glutamic acid, asparagine, alanine and aspartic acid.
Animal Protein
Animal-based protein sources all contain all of the essential amino acids in sufficient amounts. These include meat, poultry, seafood, dairy products and eggs. While these protein sources make it simple for you to get all of the essential amino acids, they are also sources of fat, saturated fat and cholesterol, which should be limited in your diet.
Plant-based Protein
Plant-based protein sources, except for quinoa and soy products, do not contain all of the essential amino acids. However, if you eat a variety of these foods over the course of the day, you should get sufficient amounts of the essential amino acids. Combinations of plant-based protein foods that provide all the essential amino acids include whole grains and beans, seeds and beans and seeds and grains. As long as you eat one of these combinations -- either together or separately -- during the same day, you will get sufficient amounts of amino acids. Eating some animal-based protein during the day along with plant-based protein also provides sufficient amounts of all essential amino acids.
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