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Old 10-24-2013, 14:01   #1
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Default Did eating low carb make me MORE sensitive to carbs?

I'm finding that things I use to eat like half an apple now raises my bg to 129 whereas before it really didnt do much of anything. I'm trying to get more fiber in my diet due to chronic constipation. So is it possible that low carbing can make one super sensitive to carbs and if so how can i change that?

If i just start eating them anyways again within reason like apple pieces here and there will I get use to them again and my bg adjust after a while?

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I think it does. When I first started out I could eat a lot more carbs then I can now.

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Some docs recommend upping carbs a week before an OGTT, for this reason.

Bingeing is not a good idea, for this reason, too ... and, when I come off my fat fasts, I do so very, very gradually.

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If i just start eating them anyways again within reason like apple pieces here and there will I get use to them again and my bg adjust after a while?
I doubt it.

Why is it necessary to get your fiber from a fruit with it's accompanying glucose and fructose? There are other ways of getting fiber that won't compromise your BG.

Flaxseeds and flaxseed meal comes to mind, and psyllium husks. These can all be put in baked goods - the seeds can be sprinkled on a salad. (be sure to drink plenty of water with these, though)

BTW - cheese is binding. If you are having constipation, stay off cheese.

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Speaking of constipation, to my amazement, mine RESOLVES when I go on a fat fast! Ketones fuel the intestines more effectively, deepening ketogenesis is a HUGE HELP!

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Consistency is important and always a good idea. If you're eating LC/HF it doesn't make sense to interject eating a dose of sugar.

Having said that, glucose is glucose. Barring any extreme high which could be dangerous in and of itself (say, over 200), the only really important thing is the "area under the curve" or the total glucose impact of what you eat.

So, if you were eating way too many carbs and the apple only took you to 110 but now on low-carb it takes you to 135, that's really utterly irrelevant. The glucose is the same and the insulin required to dispose of it is the same.

Once on LC/HF, it is far better to be consistent and stick with it. This has been covered here many times. After somewhere between 3 days and 3 weeks of LC/HF, there is a major shift in your entire metabolism - which we usually call "ketosis". If you continue, there are additional adaptations for 3 months and even longer, especially in your brain - arguable a pretty important organ!

That single apple (or maybe two or three in consecutive meals) can easily send you back to square one and the whole adaptation has start over. I hope you can see that this is a VERY bad idea.

If you "dabble" in LC/HF you will be doing 3 steps forward, 3 steps back (with regard to ketosis) constantly. You will be "low-carb" and will mostly see favorable meter readings but will be missing out on a much larger benefit.

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I have been nothing but consistent and am really tired if trying and failing with no benefit to this lchf.

The thing is is that I've had zero benefit in ketosis it dietary ketosis anyways, I've only gained weight and not lost any, my fastings are higher then ever (long before the Apple) but my post numbers are fine. So I honestly have not seen one bit if good from ketosis and that's why I'm so discouraged and ready to just forget about our anymore and go to regular lite carb.


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I have been nothing but consistent and am really tired if trying and failing with no benefit to this lchf.

The thing is is that I've had zero benefit in ketosis it dietary ketosis anyways, I've only gained weight and not lost any, my fastings are higher then ever (long before the Apple) but my post numbers are fine. So I honestly have not seen one bit if good from ketosis and that's why I'm so discouraged and ready to just forget about our anymore and go to regular lite carb. If you're eating LC/HF it doesn't make sense to interject eating a dose of sugar.

Having said that, glucose is glucose. Barring any extreme high which could be dangerous in and of itself (say, over 200), the only really important thing is the "area under the curve" or the total glucose impact of what you eat.

So, if you were eating way too many carbs and the apple only took you to 110 but now on low-carb it takes you to 135, that's really utterly irrelevant. The glucose is the same and the insulin required to dispose of it is the same.

Once on LC/HF, it is far better to be consistent and stick with it. This has been covered here many times. After somewhere between 3 days and 3 weeks of LC/HF, there is a major shift in your entire metabolism - which we usually call "ketosis". If you continue, there are additional adaptations for 3 months and even longer, especially in your brain - arguable a pretty important organ!

That single apple (or maybe two or three in consecutive meals) can easily send you back to square one and the whole adaptation has start over. I hope you can see that this is a VERY bad idea.

If you "dabble" in LC/HF you will be doing 3 steps forward, 3 steps back (with regard to ketosis) constantly. You will be "low-carb" and will mostly see favorable meter readings but will be missing out on a much larger benefit.
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You can't really know if you've ever been in nutritional ketosis let alone if you're maintaining it unless you get a blood ketone meter and test. From the things you discuss here, I doubt if you're there. So, before you say it has had not benefit, you have to GET there, first.

It seems from your posts that the only thing you've been consistent is a degree of low-carb. As for the nutrient mix needed for ketosis, it seems you haven't even looked for/at it, since you've yet to count all three macro-nutrients in your food intake.

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I have been in ketosis according to the ketostix turning purple. When I had the blood sticks I was at 5. I don't know what if all means to be in ketosis and more lose weight so something else must be wrong.

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Today I did use all three and I didn't have any carbs and fats were 25.5 and proteins were 25.3 or there abouts, so what does that all mean that too much protein?

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