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Old 11-24-2013, 01:52   #11
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Puppy, the 2600 calories is what I use for maintenance. You yourself said that you only adhered to the correct macros on a daily basis for one day out of many. I know that the transition is hard. So, I feel you there. Cut back on the calories. You are going to be hungry. Hunger is a part of losing weight. Drink water in between meals. Stop grazing and snacking. You don't need to have snacks. You are not on any medication. Eat cleanly. Stop with the processed hotdogs. They don't seem to be doing you any good. Part of losing weight is being hungry. Get used to it. Metformin is an appetite suppressant. I know it's hard, at first, but since your BGs are in control, now it's time to lose weight. If you want this badly enough, you have to be all in. You are almost in the 'overweight' category. Don't quit now. No matter what diet you are on, whether it's low carb or LCHF, you are going to be hungry.

Also, I recommended the 2600 calories for the transition into LCHF for BG control. Since you are there now, just cut back on the calories while maintaining 80% Fat.

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Many of us start out with programmed diets, complete with recipes and menus for each meal and snack. South Beach, Atkins, Paleo (in its many variations) ...

All of them have great advantages, and each one is 1,000% (give or take) healthier than the standard diet. Great starting points, all of them! Trouble is, it's hard to live our daily lives on nothing but standard recipes. It seems easier than plotting our own path, but it's usually not sustainable as a permanent way of life.

This is why we talk about ratios in LCHF and keto. At first, ratios appear harder than a food and recipe list -- and I struggle with this, too, since I'm getting into keto only now (never thought I'd have any problem finding enough fat!) -- but, in time, the beauty of it is that we can apply it to any cuisine, any food.

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BEFORE I started tracking my calories on MFP I was eating way more then the 2600 calories. I thought nothing of eating macadamia nuts by the handfuls all day long thinking I was just getting fats and not realizing how many calories were in only 20 nuts. I figured that by cutting down to 2600 that that was a good thing but obvious not good enough. I'm sorry you people are tired of me, I'm going away anyways. I've asked the board to delete my account so thanks to everyone that has helped me and goodbye to those Ive irritated.

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thanks pigdog and you've been a lot of help the way. I have lowered my calorie input on the my fitness pal in the past but was not able to do it because I was hungry all the time. I'm told one should never be hungry with this way of eating, I'm told its normal to be hungry, I'm told people are tired of telling me, I come here for help and feel scolded like a child. You've been good and nice to me and I appreciate it and I thank you.

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Puppy, I don't have all the answers, but I weigh 340 lbs, and I am eating 2300 cals a day. 80 to 85 percent of those from fats. So, usually I am in the 180 to 190 grams of fat a day. My protein is usually around 75 to 90 grams.

With your weight around 165, I would think your cals are high, hence your macros are as well.

I think you are eating at almost a maintenance level of cals. Try a 20 to 25 percent deficit in cals.

I don't know what else to tell you.

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I'm sorry you're offended, puppy. Everyone here genuinely cares and are trying to help you. I hope you don't go. These are great people, and we have all been through what you are going through.

If you do leave, I do wish you the best. I know you will succeed.

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I get hungry puppy, especially at night. I could probably eat more, but my desire is to get off meds, so I need to stay strict. Good luck, and I hope things work out for you.

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I come here for help and feel scolded like a child.
Once you take a moment to reflect on the last months, which I hope you'll do, perhaps you'll remember the outpouring of support, energy, effort, caring, typed words - all which have come your way from members of this forum - and feel gratitude for their generosity of time, energy, caring ... and that's before even getting to the valuable content. It has been considerable.

It was given freely, and compassionately, with concern for the tremendous angst you repeatedly expressed.

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Omg and double ugh I don't get why you keep thinking that I'm doing this wrong!
OK, I could be wrong true enough, but let's get some definitions straight. Keto-adaptation, where you really start getting the benefits, more or less requires:

1) A Keto ratio which is high enough. This varies from individual to individual but basically is somewhere around 1.5 to over 2.0. I can maintain at 1.75. Your mileage may vary. (Blood ketone strips are the ONLY way to know for sure.)

2) Above maintained all day every day for at least ONE MONTH. At this point significant keto-adaptation will have occurred, although it continues for several months after that.

3) NO EXCEPTIONS. None. A single day or even a single meal puts you back to SQUARE ONE. So, let's say you have a perfect record for 3 weeks but then depart by eating too much protein, too much carbs or too little fat. The clock is now back to ZERO. So basically a single error per month could equal complete failure. You would be low-carb or as Peter Attia once called it, in the "low-carb zone of misery", but not keto-adapted.

If you've done all that, I apologize for implying otherwise. But, from everything I've read, it didn't seem to me that you ever have.

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I know just how you feel Puppy.
Its so frustrating.
What I did was go to a Registered Dietician as I was going for every Quack Diet there was out there with no result.

By the way I,m new to the forum and from Australia.

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I know just how you feel Puppy.
Its so frustrating.
What I did was go to a Registered Dietician as I was going for every Quack Diet there was out there with no result.

By the way I,m new to the forum and from Australia.

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It is possible to do LC/HF/Ketogenic under medical supervision. This is the way it really should be done. Unfortunately, the MDs willing/able to do this are still pretty few. Probably not more than a few dozen world-wide. If you're lucky enough to have one near you and are having trouble with ketogenic WOE, this would be a great idea.

You can search for one near you here.

Also, the Charlie Foundation has a finder for "Safe Ketogenic Hospitals" around the US. The intention is treatment for childhood epilepsy, but who knows they may help those pursuing ketosis for other health reasons. That's here.

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