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Old 12-09-2013, 07:36   #11
 
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There are thousands if not millions of low carb recipes online for just about anything you'd want, including bread, desserts, junk food and even eggnog. You can make chocolate milk by adding a little water to heavy cream, then stirring in sugar free chocolate syrup.

If you feel you can't do without a potato now and then, buy one small, new red potato and cook or fry it up any way you want. If you feel you can't live without pasta, try eating a small serving of Dreamfields pasta.

Instead of concentrating on the foods and drink you can't have, try putting your time and energy into finding good tasting alternatives.

I really do hope you make the right choices here. Diabetes is rampant in my family and I could tell you some real horror stories. Right now you may feel like giving up, but I have no doubt that later on you will deeply regret it if you do, but then it might be too late.
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Its a tough one. I have had my tantrums, believe me, but this forum keeps me in check. Blessing to you all . Personally, I don't so much think of the consequences, but I have set myself goals to achieve the low fbs in the morning. When I go into high 5's, I start getting annoyed with myself, cos I missed my goal. Just different strokes...... Something different might work for you, if you get your mind around it.

I have cheated, and I do have a 'pity party' now and again and oh dear, like Freya, I look at cake and just eyed a banana & walnut cake recently. I even eat in bakeries, but I settle for their salads. The more 'green' I eat, the better for my bs.

What everyone here says, is true. Diabetes is deceiving, but it is progressive, if not controlled. Just take small steps, its not a marathon, and ease yourself into it, but do make the concerted effort. It gets better with time and you'll find yourself less interested in sugared goodies.

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I was just diagnosed a sort time ago. I'm 65 years old. At my age I might just be able to ignore it and not suffer any serious damage before I die.

Or it might cause or contribute to my death. Worse yet it might cost me my eyesight and let me live. Could be all that will be necessary is to hack off a leg or maybe a few toes.

I'm not looking forward to spending the last years of my life avoiding glazed donuts. But I'm going to. I'm not going to sit back whining that it's too hard to change the way I eat. I'm going to fight this disease. I may not win, but I am going to fight.

I sincerely hope you decide to do the same. If you risk your quality for a few jelly donuts or a big piece of chocolate cake then you will have no one to blame but yourself if the worst happens. Setting around blind and blaming yourself will be a lot harder than doing what you can NOW and maybe living a happy productive life.

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As Gizmo says there are lots of delicious recipes for egg nog online. I've just had a look as this will be my first lc/hf Christmas. Some contain alcohol, others don't.

Just put 'low carb egg nog' into your server you'll be surprised at how many there are.

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With me, every month I set aside one day that I just screw off the fact I'm diabetic. I eat what I want when I want and how much of it I want to eat. Then I'm back on being a diabetic guy again.

Thing is, sometimes you just have to eat what you want. Being diabetic shouldn't mean that I can't have a day where I just eat with reckless abandon. It's not advisable to do it every day. But I found that there aren't many ramifications for doing it once a month.

Just make sure you are treating what you eat that day and know your limits and don't go haywire. It might be a good thing (psychologically) to do this but it can quickly go south for you if you don't watch it.

My day starts at IHOP where I get a huge omelette with pancakes
Then Subway for a footlong with everything I can cram into it on it.
Then Buffalo Wild Wings for their boneless wings and cheddar bacon poppers
Then Orange Leaf for Frozen yogurt with whatever toppings I want.

The carb total would make anyone on here cringe. Hell it makes me cringe now that I think about it.

Yeah my bg goes nuts that day but I bring it under control and I go on about my life as if it never happened...keeps me sane. Yeah it might be the most unwise thing a diabetic can do but sometimes you just have to screw off the consequences and do something that makes you happy.

Notice I said just do this ONCE a month. Don't do it every day. It's bound to be very bad long term. Carbs are toxic to us so we shouldn't ingest them like crazy all the time.

But from time to time I find it's okay to just splurge and step out of the diabetic bubble. For me it's the first of every month when I get all my bills paid.

And no...this isn't the best advice I can give. If I were to do that I'd tell you to stay lchf and stay healthy and do what's right.

But the thing is, you have one life to live. If you live it constantly in fear then you're not living. Don't take the advice I'm giving you as a license to eat whatever whenever and screw off that you are diabetic. NO. THAT ISN'T WHAT I'M SAYING. I'm saying take a day where it's all about you and what you want then go back to being all about treating yourself right. 29 - 30 days out of the month, do what's best for your condition. 1 day out of the month do what's best for you.

That's all I have to say. I'm sure most will disagree with what I had to say.

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Note for yourself your own sensitivities. I know there are patients out there that can't even do this. If your condition is too severe to do something like this then I advise you NOT to do it.

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You know, as i was reading about your gorge-fest Justin, it suddenly occurred to me that I feel so much less diabetic and deprived now than I did the first year, and I think it's because - for me - putting aside any discussion of how wise this is to do to a diabetic body - the psychology would work against me. After reintroducing all those foods, and gorging, it would feel like starting all over again the next day.

I've had a number of intense challenges the last months, okay, the last year. And what has astonished me is that in spite of what I have slogged through, it never once occurred to me that it would be great to eat some of my old favorites, or that what-the-hell - everything is in the dumpsters anyway, might as well have some bloody ice cream! Not once. It just was not on my radar.

Now - I did overeat sometimes, did have too much protein and too many nuts, but this former carbaholic with a history of turning to food at the slightest hint of trouble/stress/whatever ... well, I just kept eating the way I do.

There is enormous freedom in that, and while different strategies work for each of us, the only thing I know for certain is that I could not have gotten here by travelling the road you are.

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I don't see the problem. I mean...YES I DO...but I don't see the problem really.

I'm only like this 12 times a year the first of the month every month. Now my current complications can't be afforded to these times. It can be afforded to the fact I haven't been eating LCHF during this WHOLE TIME. And that worked my body over.

Just so you know, that is only 3.5% give or take .5% of the year

That leaves me being a good boy 96.5% of the year give or take .5%

Would you give up 3.5% of your year if it made you feel happier?

I ask not for a long life but a full one, for I am not guaranteed a long life by any means with this disease. I don't feel like 3.5% of the year will affect my general health overall if 96.5% of the time I am conscientious about my treatment and diet.

I know you might think it is back tracking, and by rights for that day I guess it is, but to be honest...to just be free for that one day makes the rest of the month worth it to me. Yes I get sick, yes it sucks the next day working my bg down (normally I fast that day while working it down), and no it ISN'T SMART.

But to me, it helps to do this. You only have one life to live...this is how I live mine. It isn't the best way, or the smartest. But it is the way that makes me the happiest. And if for one day I can feel free and whimsical...and I can smile without regrets...then, in my opinion, it will all be worth it.

And if it is of some small consolation, Moon, I have converted over to LCHF. So the majority of the time I will be doing the right thing...I don't know how you feel about that but...there it is.

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Justin, I was in no way saying what you should or shouldn't do - and truly was bringing no judgement to it. We all navigate our diabetes differently, and have different needs and psychologies.

I would be a crazy obsessed person if I did what you do, and you might (or might not!) be equally mad if you followed my path - which wasn't a plan btw, it just evolved and is.

Sometimes I'm hit with a lucky stick. It happened with smoking too - I just quit, and it was no big deal. Wasn't will-power or anything I could take credit for, it just worked out.

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Oh,... my gosh... Justin, you sound Exactly like me last year. Yep, once a month, and once I made it to 37 days! Yep. My "off plan" day was insane.

New York Cheesecake Pancakes from IHOP, and once I added onion rings with copious amounts of ketchup.

Then, of course, there is my lifetime downfall -- Skittles! I would have an entire family pack by the end of the day.

A yogurt fruit shake from a specialty store, large. Delicious!

Then there's crackers with butter, Hobb Nobbs, the usual coffee though.

Sometimes a small apple pie, lemon pie, cherry pie, and half a loaf of freshly baked Italian Bread with whatever!

But, it was just once a month, right?? Riiighht...

Trouble is, my friend, that I was still producing ketones. So, when those blood sugars went from a nice 75 (4.2) to the whopping 300s (18s), the damage done to my vision was irreversible. But, we won't go there, just yet.

Here's the thing,... After about 6 months of that, God help me, I swear I gave myself an eating disorder, I knew I had to cut the carbs again every time. That meant Carb Flu -- every month for over a week. It was disaster. I felt starved and deprived and miserable, and all I could do was to make a list of what I wanted to eat on my cheat day. I even gave it a special name that I read somewhere.. my "off plan" day. Sounds better that way, right? After a few months of that, every time I had to "go back under" it was an ordeal. By the fifth month, I was so upset about it (to put it mildly) I delayed a day and it was all I could do to fortify myself to have another "Cycle" (go back to LCHF). By the 6th month, those two days turned into three... I added rum raisin ice cream and copious amounts of bananas... It was... hell. No matter how scared I was and no matter how awful I felt, I just couldn't bring myself to go back to LCHF, for a short time. I switched to low carb, which turned into higher carb (from about 75 grams of carbs a day to about 175). I put on 15 pounds of the 70 I had lost, and I could see no end. My beautiful BGs in the 70s were shattered. I lived with BGs somewhere under 200 and called it "control". But, there was no control, and I knew I needed help.

So, I came back here. And, I made some amazing discoveries. I found that how I did LCHF was wrong. I was on 70% Fat, 20% Protein, and 10% Carbs, and my calories were way too low. I was basically teetering in and out of ketosis and living in a perpetual carb flu. It was miserable. I learned how to make things like Keto Pancakes with Walden Farms Zero Carb Syrup, Strawberry Syrup, Blueberry Syrup, Caramel, Heavy whipping cream, practically doubled my calories and brought my Fat up and beyond 80%. I discovered 70-second-Flax Bread, sweetened peanut butter and coconut oil and Walden Farms Jelly made great PBJs! I discovered fudge and cheesecake (my breakfast this morning), and so many other recipes. I really need to write a cookbook. I lost those 15 pounds plus a few more and never looked back. My metabolism right now is through the roof. Where I used to gain weight on 1100 calories, I now lose weight on 2500 (and over 85% Fat). My very breakfasts are now just under 1400 calories. So, no,... there is no going back. And, sadly, I rarely exercise, so nowhere near perfect here. (There's a technique to increasing metabolism, so you can message me if you want that info.)

My vision never came back (I was lucky, it could and should have been much worse), but the other neuropathies like pins and needles, numbness, infections, dry skin, brain fog, Starvation..etc. etc.. those are gone now. The benefits of LCHF seem to increase with time. And the very thought of going through the Carb Flu (what my family calls "Keto-Crazy") is anathema to me. I just Couldn't go through that again. The very thought just sends shivers up my spine.

The best thing is, I have no more cravings. IHOP doesn't even entice me anymore. The thought of having carb loaded cakes and treats, not only are they flavorless, they are disgusting. What I make is so much better. I no longer use Walden Farms products or things like Shirataki Noodles for meals like Ketogenic Fettuccine Alfredo or Macaroni and Cheese, although I will use just a bit on my Sloppy Joe recipe, but they got me through the transition. My taste buds changed, and you no longer crave the meals of old. The thought of rice and potatoes is not even an afterthought. There are so many other and better alternatives.

This post is way too long, so I'll end here. All this to say, I get it. Hang in there. You Will get a handle on this. We've all been there. You... are Not... alone.

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