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Old 02-08-2014, 01:09   #1
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... I find his thoughts on sulfonylurea drugs compelling enough to make me reconsider whether I should be on them. While my blood sugar is much better than it used to be, it's still not quite where it should be. Even worse, I have gained a small amount of weight over the last six months... plus, even going strict LCHF, ketosis eludes me.

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I never saw what he said abt SU's -- is he pro, or con?

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I've read his book Genocide. He is all for LCHF & against needless medication.

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I never saw what he said abt SU's -- is he pro, or con?
"We should never, ever use a sulfonylurea to treat a type 2 diabetic"

and

"I have a big issue with any Type 2 being started on any sulfonylurea"

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"These meds need to be stopped immediately once a [patient] implements low carbs."

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I find his thoughts on sulfonylurea drugs compelling enough to make me reconsider whether I should be on them.
We have been telling people for a long time here at the forum not to use drugs that stimulate the pancreas to secrete insulin. They will lower blood sugar at first, but as time goes on, the pancreas will produce less and less insulin. We need to preserve whatever pancreatic function we have left.

Metformin is the safest diabetic drug, all the rest have terrible side effects. If lc/hf and Metformin doesn't do the job, then adding insulin is the next best choice.

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I was on Glyburide and later Amaryl for a long time and I really wish I never had used them.

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I've got to echo Gizmo's point.

To work, these drugs depend on a functioning pancreas. That brings up several issues.

First, how much insulin will be produced and when? If the pancreas delivers are we getting on a high/low roller coaster? If your pancreas doesn't deliver then you're getting the "benefits" of the side effects without any real value.

Second, does this racing of the engine burn out the beta cells? I don't know but several doctors, including Bernstein, seem to think so. Intuitively I do feel that it's the equivalent of red-lining your car engine when you know that the cylinder head gasket is damaged.

So, if I ever get into the situation that despite my reduced carb diet that I start spiking unacceptably (i.e. over 140) after meals, then if my doctor offers me a sulf, I will be saying "no thank you - insulin please".

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And the thing that makes me totally batshxx crazy is seeing patients on insulin still being prescribed sulfonylureas & these other drugs which continue to squeeze the pancreas. They're already injecting exogenous insulin, for gosh sake! Why continue killing the pancreas?!




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I agree with Gizmo & John's thoughts. Furthermore, since a large population of T2s are afflicted with IR (mostly hepatic) pumping out more Insulin only compounds the problem. One doctor termed it as "adding insulin to injury".

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This is a great discussion for a newbie who wants to be prepared for all potential futures!!!

Thank you all.

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