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How long does an evening meal affect readings?


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Old 07-23-2014, 12:29   #1
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Yesterday morning my fasting BG was 9.5. Last night 2 hr. after supper it was 8.8. (Supper was roast beef, salad, broccoli).

This morning, my fasting # right before breakfast was 12.5!! Why would today's morning number be 3 points higher than yesterday's? Sometimes I feel like there's progress, sometimes not so much!

By the way, do I HAVE to eat breakfast? Sometimes I'm just not hungry.

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Why! That's what we all ask about what appears to be erratic BG levels. Usually there is a reason why, but we don't always know what the reason is. Some of it is just because we have a malfunctioning pancreas and the signaling gets messed up.

One reason for higher morning BG is when one eats more than prudent amount of carbs the evening before (or day before) which allows the liver to top off its stores of glycogen, and when doing the DP thing the next morning, there's more glucose to dump.

As for breakfast. I don't like eating early either. But in order to put a halt to the morning liver glucose dump, something must be eaten. It's an individual thing, though. Some can get away with a little protein+fat "snack" but others have to have a full breakfast to stop rising BG.

Please don't stress over the bumps in the road. It's a long journey and there WILL BE ups and downs. What's important is the overall trend, and you're doing quite well with that.

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The morning number is sometimes the last to come down. There are many here (including me) who struggle with this. As VJ said, search for Dawn Phenomenon on the forum & read the older threads to understand better.

If you go hungry in the morning, the liver dump may continue. In all likelihood BG will rise. You can try that a couple of days, while taking your readings every 30 mins or every hour. In 2-3 days you will be able to establish a pattern.

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It takes time for the liver to get the idea that the body is now living on lower glucose/higher fat. When I started LCHF I concentrated on bringing daytime BG down and just recorded FBG. Gradually, as daytime stabilized at a lower level, FBG began dropping. It rarely goes over 100 mg/dl (5.5) now.

I am not a breakfast eater. But I did at first - not much, a few bites. After daytime post-meal BG settled down in the 5s & 6s, and my pre-meal BG showed a downward inclination, I decided to take the liver dumps and go back to my happy place (HWC in coffee for breakfast). This took about a week and was not bad (avg 5s & 6s). Then everything settled at a lower place. I see 4s a lot these days.

Right now I encourage you to just keep doing what you are doing. Test foods, test amounts of foods, help your body and mind adjust to the change. Bring those pre- & post-meal BGs down and down. The specialized tuning will follow.

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It takes time for the liver to get the idea that the body is now living on lower glucose/higher fat. When I started LCHF I concentrated on bringing daytime BG down and just recorded FBG. Gradually, as daytime stabilized at a lower level, FBG began dropping. It rarely goes over 100 mg/dl (5.5) now.

I am not a breakfast eater. But I did at first - not much, a few bites. After daytime post-meal BG settled down in the 5s & 6s, and my pre-meal BG showed a downward inclination, I decided to take the liver dumps and go back to my happy place (HWC in coffee for breakfast). This took about a week and was not bad (avg 5s & 6s). Then everything settled at a lower place. I see 4s a lot these days.

Right now I encourage you to just keep doing what you are doing. Test foods, test amounts of foods, help your body and mind adjust to the change. Bring those pre- & post-meal BGs down and down. The specialized tuning will follow.
Thanks for all that Nancy! I've been testing a LOT over the past 10 days, since I last saw the doc. My fingers are like pincushions! I take it HWC is Heavy Whipping Cream? I've not caught up on all the abbreviations here yet. I am adding cream to my coffee, and to my scrambled eggs too. Already a bit sick of eggs though.

I'm recording all my results in my tester, and will bring the printout with me to the doc next Monday when I see him again, after tomorrow's FBG test at the hospital.

So thanks....will keep doing what I'm doing, it is edging things down. And a fair bit down from my A1C of 10 days ago of 14.

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This will help, Ian: http://www.diabetesforum.com/diabete...used-site.html

And what could help with your 'pincushions', is be sure each test tells you something you can act on - specific information - fasting, postprandial, etc. We know our levels fluctuate greatly through the day, so when we test we need to have an objective like 'how much spike did those stir-fry veggies cause me?' Then we aren't poking ourselves needlessly - we're gathering data to complete the big picture. Eat to your meter is the guideline for avoiding unnecessary testing.

Eggs can become an ordeal for some people, so it can help to mix it up a bit. I make deviled eggs quite often and they go with the breakfast ham just as well as scrambled, plus they're wonderful for a quick snack or small meal. But if you just can't look another egg in the face, switch to avocados or something else you like. You don't always have to eat off the 'breakfast' menu - eat whatever you want, even if it's the leftover pork chop or steak from last night's meal.



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