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Old 12-21-2014, 05:39   #11
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Statins decrease lifespan in women! Heck, even lowering cholesterol decreases lifespan in women. This is particularly clear with women even more than men - for whom it is likely also the case by and large.

Even aside from that they are likely to decrease quality of life with muscle pain and muscle wasting and other side effects.

IMO, if you're taking a statin, blood sugar is about the LEAST of your worries.

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Makes me wonder about the rising incidence of insulin intolerance, metabolic syndrome, and insulin resistant T2.

Having lived through DH's horrific reaction to statins (and still living the long-term consequences), the odds of me taking statins are similar to the odds of me enjoying a picnic on the moon. So, whatever triggered my diabetes was not statins.

However, isn't it wonderful to finally be living in a world where they actually use women in medical tests? It used to drive me nuts reading, "The study included 110,124,623 men. It is assumed the results apply to girls."

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Nancy,

This is a topic that Judy and I discuss frequently. I have some sympathy (but not a lot) with the study designers since we're not talking about just men and women. Although if dealing with adults, you might say that "men" was a single group, the fairer sex splits into at least pre menopause and post menopause with the pre-menopause group perhaps splitting further depending on when in the month the individual happens to be. Bring in the pre-pubescent (male and female) and life gets really complicated.

Judy in particular gets positively ratty when broad sweeping assumptions are made about the relevance of a study to a group who weren't in the test group - and quite right too!

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I used to get really angry because funding always seemed to target 35 year old Caucasian males (not that there is anything wrong with 35 year old Caucasian males).

I suspect some of the researchers got even more angry than I did...especially when their grants to study other demographics were not awarded.

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A perfect example of why applies to males and statins. The very small subset of people who have some slight improvement in actual risk on statins is males under 65 who have had at least one cardiac event. If women were included in the stats, the numbers would be diluted. Point goes to the drug companies.

Meanwhile, almost nobody recognizes statin's role in CAUSING congestive heart failure (very good article about this on Weston A Price site). I'm watching a friend die a slow death from CHF on statin's while his doctors insist he remain on them and refuse to let him take CoQ10. The cardiologist laughed at his wife when she asked if he should at least be taking CoQ10. The cardiologist told her to "stay off the internet, because I'm your husband's doctor, not Dr. Google."

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That's the very thing malpractice insurance should cover.

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I'm trying to find info on whether the increased risk for (new) diabetes in women that's associated with taking statins (apparently due to decreasing sensitivity to insulin, maybe other factors) also might mean that statins might, in those already diabetic, actually increase BG. Haven't tracked anything down yet, thought I'd ask here.
I can't find any studies that have addressed statins potential impact on existing diabetes.

I found this article that says, yes statins can escalate BG in both diabetics and non-diabetics. It is not a study. But it is evocative as it says the reason for the BG increase is statins tell the liver not to store glucose as glycogen - just keep it flowing around in the blood. This was the study cited.

Janknitz, I am so sorry you are having to watch you friend go through that! Stepping outside of the "Doctor as wise, all-knowing parent" box is just too much for some people to do.

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A perfect example of why applies to males and statins. The very small subset of people who have some slight improvement in actual risk on statins is males under 65 who have had at least one cardiac event. If women were included in the stats, the numbers would be diluted. Point goes to the drug companies.

Meanwhile, almost nobody recognizes statin's role in CAUSING congestive heart failure (very good article about this on Weston A Price site). I'm watching a friend die a slow death from CHF on statin's while his doctors insist he remain on them and refuse to let him take CoQ10. The cardiologist laughed at his wife when she asked if he should at least be taking CoQ10. The cardiologist told her to "stay off the internet, because I'm your husband's doctor, not Dr. Google."
Yeah and this is where I take the prescription, smile and say thank you, and not fill the script or toss it in a drawer!

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