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Old 08-15-2011, 14:58   #11
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I definitely think the type of fat makes a huge difference.

I ate low fat most of my life, still ended up diabetic.

Now that I eat high fat, my glucose is under control without medication with a 5.2 A1c, my cholesterol has dropped further into the normal range as well, and the pounds are melting off... my wedding rings are about to fall off, and I've been married for 12 years.

If it was simply the amount of fat - those of us on here doing high fat / low carb, and the whole primal/paleo movement would not be seeing the improvements in health that they are.

Once again, it's a study that doesn't really do much other than sensationalize "HIGH FAT = DIABETES" without really dissecting the diet at all.

Also... "Low, moderate, and high" are all subjective as stated in previous posts. I know I don't consume as many calories as I was before when I ate whatever I wanted, but my ratio of fat to carb makes it a high fat diet in most people's eyes.

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My favorite part of the report was this:

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"The observation that beta cell malfunction significantly contributes to multiple disease signs, including insulin resistance, was unexpected. "
Really? That's interesting since it's well known the role of pancreatic beta cells in diabetes as well as insulin-resistance... Why this would surprise anyone is beyond me...

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Most of what I'm seeing lately would suggest that a diet both high in carbohydrate (especially refined carbs) as well as high in fat (especially less-healthy fats and trans-fats) is what's leading to the insulin-resistance/obesity/diabetes issues.

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Genetics is utterly ignored as a factor in Type 2. All I can offer here is that obesity did not appear in my D-family before high-fructose-corn-syrup drenched all of our foods.

Also, in addition to our need to know what the mice ate, I'd also need to know how much.

Back in the 70s there was a rash of "discoveries" of "cancer-causing" foods and substances. Now, no doubt a number of those discoveries were valid. But in many cases, mice and rats were force-fed or exposed to amounts of "offending" substances that were, proportionally, impossibly high for human consumption or exposure.

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Sorry ... deleting double post. Connection's acting up!

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beefy, yeah! Insulin resistance has been identified mostly as in the liver, muscles, fat tissue, or even BRAIN. But oddly, NEVER with the beta cells, themselves.

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Yeah Shalynne... Mine is total genetic disposition, but also brought on by the low fat, high carb diet I ate through the beginning of my life - and I was a serious ballet dancer.

My grandmother did develop diabetes in her late 50s, or at least that is when it was discovered, and I am literally her genetic clone - hypothyroidism, diabetes, not to mention looks, body, etc. I have a cousin with the same issues. I am pretty sure she didn't develop it earlier because her diet was different as she was born in the 20s on the coast of North Carolina and ate a diet heavy in seafood and garden grown vegetables. When the SAD shifted to more processed foods, HFCS, etc. - you can see in her pictures how she gained weight through the years and eventually ended up with diabetes.

She passed away in her 60s and that does scare me to an extent, but my grandfather stopped giving her insulin and proclaimed her healed by God. They did not make any changes to her diet either - at least in terms of carbs.

I am 99% sure this led to her quick deterioration and eventual death.

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I was always quite thin until my 30's (1980's) . That was the time they started to mess around with the fat and additives in foods. Growing up I ate lots of fat and never gained weight. But when I started to eat fat free, reduced fat items, especially margerines that is when I saw the belly fat start to accumulate. Since I ate a lot of salads I also consumed a lot of salad dressings with HFCS. I would like to see the study studying the effect of HFCS on those mice. I'm sure they will die.

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I would like to see the study studying the effect of HFCS on those mice. I'm sure they will die.
But it's NATURAL... it's *just* CORN sugar!


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But it's NATURAL... it's *just* CORN sugar!

Yeah, and *white* flour is natural, and comes from wheat ... And *white* sugar is natural and comes from things like beets... mmm.... Healthy

Can you imagine the damage we do when we eat things made with White Flour, White Sugar, Trans-Fats and HFCS? Scary, scary stuff. And I'm sure we can go into any grocery store and quickly find things made with ALL FOUR scary ingredients, LOL.

I had to start buying Organic Peanut Butter (or making my own) when I found out my family's favorite brand of peanut butter is made with Trans-Fats (that's how they *REALLY* keep the peanut butter from separating...)

Fast -Food can be really scary ... Most Soda/Pop (non-diet) is made with HFCS... Most buns are made from BOTH White Bread and White Sugar... (Yeast has to eat something) ... Fries *USED* to be made with Trans-Fats ... What a recipe for disaster. (Note: On the fries ... I wish they'd go back to cooking in beef tallow ... I loved french fries cooked in beef tallow... Of course, diabetes makes potatoes difficult/impossible now, but still...)

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