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Old 03-22-2015, 22:15   #1
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I had an interesting thought today...possibly a good area for research.

Considering the following facts about Type II:
  • Type II is associated with obesity, but not everyone with Type II is obese.
  • We know that a high carb low fat diet causes obesity, although not everyone with Type II ate that way before diagnosis.
  • High BG and high insulin levels cause obesity in most individuals.
  • We know that those who eat high carb meals store more glycogen in their livers than most
  • We know that in Type II the insulin levels are highest in the initial phase, then there is beta cell burnout and exhaustion.
  • We know there is a fine tuned dance between glycogen and insulin, as well as amylin and other hormones, in regulating each other and fine-tuning food intake.

What if the liver becomes more sensitive to glycogen and glycogen-like substances early on in diabetes and therefore not only causes the obesity but also the high glucose levels and insulin levels found in the first stage of type II (and the insulin resistance)?
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High BG and high insulin levels cause obesity in most individuals.
Do you have a reference for that one?

I would like to read more.

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Do you have a reference for that one?

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Yeah that's part of the Metabolic Syndrome I believe. I'm living proof of it. The more insulin I inject the bigger my tummy gets and I'm not too happy about that. My weight has shifted around a bit, I can get into the smallers pants today.

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Metabolic Syndrome plus changes in modern foods perfectly describe my own experience, so of course this has been a pet hypothesis (PH) of mine for quite some time.

My other PH, of course, is that there's more than one "Type 2."

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My other PH, of course, is that there's more than one "Type 2."
Makes sense. Evidence of all the differences seen on this forum.

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Do you have a reference for that one?

I would like to read more.
References are not required for that one. Insulin is the primary fat storage hormone in the body, and it is well known that it is the excessive glucose that gets converted to fat & stored in adipose tissue.
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https://evolvinghealth.wordpress.com...r-fat-storage/

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I thought this was especially dumb:

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Where does all the extra energy from excess protein and fat go when overconsumed? And what about protein’s own effects in stimulating insulin or insulin’s role in promoting satiety? These questions are often overlooked or not easily answered by those that promote the “insulin is a fat storage hormone” proposition.
Yes, when protein DOES trigger insulin secretion. It simultaneously triggers glucagon secretion. In healthy people the two balance out and blood sugar is unaffected. Protein, when "overconsumed" as Stephen put it is mostly turned into GLUCOSE. I don't know exactly who he thinks has been "overlooking" this, but I certainly haven't. Neither has just about anyone eating a ketogenic diet. So, the end result is precisely the same: more glucose and more insulin. Gee, I wonder what might happen? What happens to just about every one on a LC/HF diet when they over-indulge in protein? They gain weight! No surprise.

Stephen used to be on point and make lots of valuable contributions. Then, it seems like became some kind of "contrarian". He even invented something called a "glucose deficiency" which is utter nonsense and has never been uttered by anyone except him. I don't take much he says seriously any more.

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The discussions following the article are interesting.

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Trying to figure out my protein requirements always gets me. I am 5'8 and 124. I was 96#'s at diagnosis but gained 20 back in 2 months plus a few more slowly since. I don't want to over eat OR under eat it. I try for 40-50g a day. I watch my muscles and energy. How do you know if you eat too much? Higher BS? That will happen to me if I eat more than 3 oz at a time but maybe I still need more and need to take more insulin? I also CANNOT eat a high protein breakfast or I go very high. I usually eat 1 oz bf, 2 lunch and 3 dinner. I would love some insight if you have some. I also take the same 1 unit of insulin per meal. I think I just become more IS as the day goes on. I really don't want to up my insulin as it feels nasty and I get highs and lows as my food comes in at different times. 1 unit seems stabilizing. And yes, I ETMM. I am usually between 80 and 95. I hate messing with my food plan but don't want to continue gaining. I like where I am


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