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Old 04-15-2015, 15:20   #1
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I have been having trouble with hypertension for a long time. In my efforts to try and educate myself I've been reading on the DietDoctor.com website about LCHF and blood pressure. The author seems quite certain that if one follows the LCHF way of eating that your blood pressure will be better controlled as well as one will lose weight.

My blood pressure is not better controlled and I haven't lost weight to speak of. There must be something I'm not doing correctly. My doctor supports my WOE, in fact she encourages it. I know that the fewer carbs I eat, the less insulin I have to take. I'm discouraged, not because LCHF doesn't work, but because it seems that every time I see the doctor, my blood pressure is elevated to the point where she has to increase my meds. I feel like a sack of chemicals.

On a different note, are all of the artificial sweeteners inclined to create intestinal issues? I like having my one cup of coffee with HWC in the morning and a few drops of liquid Splenda. Later in the day I definitely regret it. Any ideas on how to get my HWC for the day?

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I have been having trouble with hypertension for a long time. In my efforts to try and educate myself I've been reading on the DietDoctor.com website about LCHF and blood pressure. The author seems quite certain that if one follows the LCHF way of eating that your blood pressure will be better controlled as well as one will lose weight.

My blood pressure is not better controlled and I haven't lost weight to speak of. There must be something I'm not doing correctly. My doctor supports my WOE, in fact she encourages it. I know that the fewer carbs I eat, the less insulin I have to take. I'm discouraged, not because LCHF doesn't work, but because it seems that every time I see the doctor, my blood pressure is elevated to the point where she has to increase my meds. I feel like a sack of chemicals.

On a different note, are all of the artificial sweeteners inclined to create intestinal issues? I like having my one cup of coffee with HWC in the morning and a few drops of liquid Splenda. Later in the day I definitely regret it. Any ideas on how to get my HWC for the day?
Take it from someone who just been there. See a cardiologist. May not be that, but I experienced the same, but better safe than sorry.

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Strawberry,

I wonder if your issue is "white coat syndrome"?

For some reason, some of us (like me) find that the doctor taking your BP is worth a serious hike in its normal values. My solution was to add taking my BP to my morning tests. That way when I see the doctor he gets a schedule of normal figures and more or less ignores what he gets on his kit.

Funny enough my when I mentioned my white coat syndrome to my new doctor, his immediate answer was, "in that case we'll get you to take readings at home".

BP meters don't cost that much and for me 30 was a value for money way of steering clear of (more) medication.

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Can you tell us what you eat in a typical day and what medications you are on? It's hard to say why LCHF "doesn't work" without knowing those things. How long have you been on LCHF?

What other lifestyle measures are you doing to control your bP? Do you exercise or meditate? What's your stress level? How is your blood glucose control?

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On a different note, are all of the artificial sweeteners inclined to create intestinal issues? I like having my one cup of coffee with HWC in the morning and a few drops of liquid Splenda. Later in the day I definitely regret it. Any ideas on how to get my HWC for the day?
Afaik, there is no daily requirement for HWC. But if you back off from the sweeteners altogether you may be very surprised to find that Hwc is very sweet in its natural state. Right now you can't taste it because your palate is still used to added sweeteners. But when you stop using ANY added sweeteners you'll be amazed at just how sweet some foods are all by themselves. Hwc is one of those foods, almonds, onions, and Brussels sprouts are others I have discovered.

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My BP didn't go down with LCHF. But, then, after extensive heart tests it was found that I have a thickening of a ventricle (don't remember which one), so there was something else going on that couldn't be addressed by LCHF, and most likely the result of years of elevated BP.

I am hoping that a few years on meds to keep my BP lower that the thickening will lessen and my BP will normalize on its own. Hasn't happened yet but it is v-e-r-r-y slowly lowering - like, just a bit lower every YEAR.

All that to say that elevated BP may be because of something that can't be addressed by LCHF...
... or....could very well be "white-coat syndrome"

BTW - I get along very well without any HWC.

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Strawberry,

I wonder if your issue is "white coat syndrome"?

For some reason, some of us (like me) find that the doctor taking your BP is worth a serious hike in its normal values. My solution was to add taking my BP to my morning tests. That way when I see the doctor he gets a schedule of normal figures and more or less ignores what he gets on his kit.

Funny enough my when I mentioned my white coat syndrome to my new doctor, his immediate answer was, "in that case we'll get you to take readings at home".

BP meters don't cost that much and for me 30 was a value for money way of steering clear of (more) medication.
I suspect that part of my issue is the 'white coat' syndrome simply because I can watch my blood sugar go up via my CGM. At my last visit when I parked the car in the doctor's parking lot, my blood sugar was 86 - which I feel is respectable. Within 20 minutes of entering the building, my bs climbed to 150 and stayed there throughout the visit. That is with no insulin on board and no food prior to the visit.

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Can you tell us what you eat in a typical day and what medications you are on? It's hard to say why LCHF "doesn't work" without knowing those things. How long have you been on LCHF?

What other lifestyle measures are you doing to control your bP? Do you exercise or meditate? What's your stress level? How is your blood glucose control?



Afaik, there is no daily requirement for HWC. But if you back off from the sweeteners altogether you may be very surprised to find that Hwc is very sweet in its natural state. Right now you can't taste it because your palate is still used to added sweeteners. But when you stop using ANY added sweeteners you'll be amazed at just how sweet some foods are all by themselves. Hwc is one of those foods, almonds, onions, and Brussels sprouts are others I have discovered.
I've been on LCHF for approximately 8 months and to control the BP I take 5 different BP meds, two of which are diuretics. I have other chronic conditions that may or may not influence the BP. I do ride the stationary bike daily plus I have a step counter that I wear daily. Am I perfect......absolutely not, but I try.

My breakfast is usually several eggs fried in coconut oil and 2-3 slices of bacon. Lunch is a big green salad with canned tuna or maybe some leftover chicken, grated cheese and about 2 Tbsp ranch dressing. Evening is a cup of ketogenic yogurt with 5-6 raspberries or blueberries and a 8 oz glass of diet cran-rasp juice.

Please keep in mind that I have to bolus for most everything I eat including eggs and bacon.

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My BP didn't go down with LCHF. But, then, after extensive heart tests it was found that I have a thickening of a ventricle (don't remember which one), so there was something else going on that couldn't be addressed by LCHF, and most likely the result of years of elevated BP.

I am hoping that a few years on meds to keep my BP lower that the thickening will lessen and my BP will normalize on its own. Hasn't happened yet but it is v-e-r-r-y slowly lowering - like, just a bit lower every YEAR.

All that to say that elevated BP may be because of something that can't be addressed by LCHF...
... or....could very well be "white-coat syndrome"

BTW - I get along very well without any HWC.
I realize you have allergies to dairy and maybe you have a point that I have not considered. I don't drink milk, instead I drink coconut milk when the store has it, otherwise I drink water or diet cran-rasp drink. How do you get the HF part of LCHF way of eating?

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I suspect that part of my issue is the 'white coat' syndrome simply because I can watch my blood sugar go up via my CGM. At my last visit when I parked the car in the doctor's parking lot, my blood sugar was 86 - which I feel is respectable. Within 20 minutes of entering the building, my bs climbed to 150 and stayed there throughout the visit. That is with no insulin on board and no food prior to the visit.
Yep, Blood sugar and Blood pressure both seem to take a hit with White Coat Syndrome. I can't speak for sure on my blood sugar although when I get a lab draw, it usually comes out a good 10% up on what I took on my meter an hour earlier, so perhaps?

It may not be the whole of the answer to your numbers but it does sound like it is a significant factor. Have you an option to self monitor your BP for a few days before your doctor's appointment? It might reduce both your and her worry a bit.

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White coat syndrome is absolutely an issue. If I were you, I would get a home b/p monitor and start checking at different times throughout the day. Go to the trouble of getting one with an arm cuff . . . I've heard the cute little finger or wrist ones aren't as accurate.

And I agree with Jan . . . getting firmly established on LCHF without additional sweeteners has allowed my taste buds to develop their full ability to find the true sweetness in foods. I didn't go cold turkey - I continued to use artificial sweeteners at first - but the longer I stayed on LCHF, the less I used sweeteners and now I rarely use any at all.

Yes, getting enough fat into your LCHF meals can be hard, and you'll have to work at it in the beginning. But it is the key to making this WoE work - you have to get the fats up there around at least 70% - 75%, and starting out with only HWC in your coffee is prob'ly not going to cut it. I don't usually have coffee, but the hot beverages I drink get a triple whammy of butter, coconut oil AND a couple ounces of HWC all at once (my mug holds 16oz).

Do you have your meal plan worked out at any of the sites like MyFitnessPal? You can set your goals and plug in the macronutrient ratios you want to meet, and then by entering every bite you take, the program calculates your nutrients.




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