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Old 07-22-2015, 22:13   #1
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I've only been diagnosed for not even a month now. I changed my entire diet the day I found out. I'm still moving through the grieving process I suppose, but on days like today I need to understand how you all keep it up?

First off, I'm a woman of child-bearing age. (32) To the women who have had diabetes for a while: Do your BG get harder to manage around the time your period is due? Mine is due anyday now and my BG has went from awesome a week ago to not so great now. My fasting numbers were under 95 until a week ago but this morning was 126. My after meal numbers are jumping too. Even with exercise. (30 minutes a day) I'm on Levemir at night (30 u) and Novalog at meals (10 u/meal). How do you ladies deal with cravings? Before a period I get VERY intense craving for sweets, particularly chocolate. Its so awful that my BG is running higher than normal right as I'm craving sweets the worst.

Second, I am a picky eater. Have been since birth. My favorite foods are pastas, Mexican dishes, hamburgers. No no's now. I can and do force myself to eat leaner meats and mostly veggies but my future seems bleak as I actually detest most veggies. The only ones I don't hate are broccoli and green beans and I am quickly tiring of them. If you are similar, how have to accepted that you will never truly enjoy food again? I feel like, at 32, assuming I live to be 80 I'm looking at 50 years of not enjoying food anymore.
I'm not trying to sound childish. I'm having a really rough day today with all this and could use some encouragement.

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Well, we could always explain the ramifications of diabetic complications, blindness, kidney failure, compromised circulation leading to gangrene and amputations. You may even hit the jackpot, and get more than one.

If that isn't enough "encouragement" to dump the "picky eater" behavior, I am out of ideas.

Many, many others have mastered the "trick" of controlling their diabetes, and we can show you how, but you have to make the commitment.

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I'm not trying to sound childish. I'm having a really rough day today with all this and could use some encouragement.
Well, if you can't rant here among fellow diabetics, who can you rant to - we understand. Sometimes the new lifestyle is a real bummer.

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My favorite foods are pastas, Mexican dishes, hamburgers.
No need to stop eating your favorites. Mexican can be made quite low-carb - just hold up a bit on the salsa, don't eat the chips, and load up with cheese. Hamburger patties wrapped in lettuce are pretty good.

The mention eating lean meats. Is there a reason for this? Personally, I think lean meat is tasteless and dry as cardboard. Most of us on the forum find that eating low-carb/HIGH-fat works for keeping our BG down, and is very satisfying.

The forum's Diet section has some sticky threads about meals that should give you a good idea of what eating LCHF looks like. And the Recipe section is full of LCHF awesome goodness.

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Well, we could always explain the ramifications of diabetic complications, blindness, kidney failure, compromised circulation leading to gangrene and amputations. You may even hit the jackpot, and get more than one.

If that isn't enough "encouragement" to dump the "picky eater" behavior, I am out of ideas.

Many, many others have mastered the "trick" of controlling their diabetes, and we can show you how, but you have to make the commitment.
Richard - what you don't understand is the OP is FEMALE, and nearing her period. Logic has nothing to do with how she feels. And you can't fully comprehend the strong emotions one can feel at this time.

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I've only been diagnosed for not even a month now. I changed my entire diet the day I found out. I'm still moving through the grieving process I suppose, but on days like today I need to understand how you all keep it up?

First off, I'm a woman of child-bearing age. (32) To the women who have had diabetes for a while: Do your BG get harder to manage around the time your period is due? Mine is due anyday now and my BG has went from awesome a week ago to not so great now. My fasting numbers were under 95 until a week ago but this morning was 126. My after meal numbers are jumping too. Even with exercise. (30 minutes a day) I'm on Levemir at night (30 u) and Novalog at meals (10 u/meal). How do you ladies deal with cravings? Before a period I get VERY intense craving for sweets, particularly chocolate. Its so awful that my BG is running higher than normal right as I'm craving sweets the worst.

Second, I am a picky eater. Have been since birth. My favorite foods are pastas, Mexican dishes, hamburgers. No no's now. I can and do force myself to eat leaner meats and mostly veggies but my future seems bleak as I actually detest most veggies. The only ones I don't hate are broccoli and green beans and I am quickly tiring of them. If you are similar, how have to accepted that you will never truly enjoy food again? I feel like, at 32, assuming I live to be 80 I'm looking at 50 years of not enjoying food anymore.
I'm not trying to sound childish. I'm having a really rough day today with all this and could use some encouragement.
Hmm. I'm not sure what sort of dietary direction you're trying to follow, but this may be the actual problem. I went through a "freak-out" period for a couple of weeks after diagnosis realizing that I would NEVER again eat many of my favorite foods like rice, pasta, potatoes and sugar in my coffee.

But, once I settled into the LC/HF way of eating I was surprised to find it much MORE satisfying and sustainable than the way I ate before. Never feeling gnawing hunger - ever - and easily going 12 hours before meals without any headache or bad feeling if a meal is missed for some reason is totally worth the price of admission. In a word, it's not only complete satisfaction from food I never experienced previously but more importantly it's complete FREEDOM from food. I enjoy IT, it doesn't dictate to me any more.

Briefly, here's some of the things I focus on:

* Eat as much fat as possible, maintaining it between 75 and 80% of total calories.

* Avoid trans-fats absolutely (anything "hydrogenated" and it's in almost ALL packaged food).

* Avoid polyunsaturated fat (e.g. all "vegetable" oils) as much as possible.

* Prefer all fats which are mostly saturated, especially from animal sources. The notable exception is coconut oil, one of the healthiest things on earth. It's mostly saturated but is from a plant source.

* Eliminate sugar in all its forms 100% (sucrose, HFCS, fruit, rasins, MILK, yogurt, etc.)

* Eliminate most starch. Certainly all foods which are mainly starch like potatoes, pasta, etc. A small amount which comes with things like nuts I let by.

* Eat LESS fiber. (Many don't agree with me on this, but it is the product of my own research and works for me.) Don't focus on green vegetables and salad and the like as "alternatives" or one of a few remaining "traditional" foods which don't mess with blood sugar too much. A small amount OK, like what people would have eaten 50 years ago. Salad was never "lunch" or "dinner" before we all went crazy after the 70s and it shouldn't be. Green vegetables are at most a small side dish alongside "real" food, absolutely smothered in pure butter, of course.

* Avoid lean cuts of meat. Of course, this has become much harder in recent decades with the fat-fear hysteria. The fat is what you need even more than the meat (protein is relatively easy to come by). Lamb is the best meat out there. Not only does it have a healthy amount of fat, but it even has an ideal Omega3 to Omega6 balance! It is unique in this. Grass-fed beef comes in second and chicken is one of the worst meats you can eat. It is WAY too lean and the fat is primarily the unhealthy Omega6 PUFAs. If cows are a must, ribeye and short rib are the healthiest cuts. Grass-fed is worth the extra cost if you can find some that some overgrown hippie in the "health" food store didn't complete denude of all its fat.

* Never buy ANYTHING marked "Low-Fat"! Forget milk and yogurt completely. Milk contains the equivalent of over 3 teaspoons of SUGAR in a single 8 oz serving. The same 8 oz of low-fat yogurt contains over FOUR teaspoons of sugar. The only thing I want from the cow besides the carcass is butterfat. This can be had from ghee, butter (look for grass-fed), labneh and heavy cream. Infant mammals thrive on their diet with a fair amount of sugar (lactose in this case), but grown mammals not so much. I just read somewhere yesterday that up until recent decades, people used milk by heating it, skimming off the cream and using it directly or to make butter or cheeses. The remaining skimmed milk was pig food (literally)!

* To sweeten my coffee, my first choice is pure stevia. In a pinch, Splenda.

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No need to stop eating your favorites. Mexican can be made quite low-carb - just hold up a bit on the salsa, don't eat the chips, and load up with cheese. Hamburger patties wrapped in lettuce are pretty good.

The mention eating lean meats. Is there a reason for this? Personally, I think lean meat is tasteless and dry as cardboard. Most of us on the forum find that eating low-carb/HIGH-fat works for keeping our BG down, and is very satisfying.

The forum's Diet section has some sticky threads about meals that should give you a good idea of what eating LCHF looks like. And the Recipe section is full of LCHF awesome goodness.
Thank you for the support. I truly appreciate it. I'm doing low carb for sure, but I'm trying to lose some weight too. I have splurged on 2 slices of bacon. And I have done the eat to your meter thing and found that I can safely eat 1 enchilada without too much problem. And I learned today that I can't have even a couple of french fries. I will check out the Diet and Recipe sections though. My body is craving chocolate and carbs like they are drugs right now and it is taking all of my willpower to fight those urges but I am winning so far. I just got frustrated today with my BG going up some even when I am still trying hard to eat right and exercise.

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Hmm. I'm not sure what sort of dietary direction you're trying to follow, but this may be the actual problem. I went through a "freak-out" period for a couple of weeks after diagnosis realizing that I would NEVER again eat many of my favorite foods like rice, pasta, potatoes and sugar in my coffee.

But, once I settled into the LC/HF way of eating I was surprised to find it much MORE satisfying and sustainable than the way I ate before. Never feeling gnawing hunger - ever - and easily going 12 hours before meals without any headache or bad feeling if a meal is missed for some reason is totally worth the price of admission. In a word, it's not only complete satisfaction from food I never experienced previously but more importantly it's complete FREEDOM from food. I enjoy IT, it doesn't dictate to me any more.

Briefly, here's some of the things I focus on:

* Eat as much fat as possible, maintaining it between 75 and 80% of total calories.

* Avoid trans-fats absolutely (anything "hydrogenated" and it's in almost ALL packaged food).

* Avoid polyunsaturated fat (e.g. all "vegetable" oils) as much as possible.

* Prefer all fats which are mostly saturated, especially from animal sources. The notable exception is coconut oil, one of the healthiest things on earth. It's mostly saturated but is from a plant source.

* Eliminate sugar in all its forms 100% (sucrose, HFCS, fruit, rasins, MILK, yogurt, etc.)

* Eliminate most starch. Certainly all foods which are mainly starch like potatoes, pasta, etc. A small amount which comes with things like nuts I let by.

* Eat LESS fiber. (Many don't agree with me on this, but it is the product of my own research and works for me.) Don't focus on green vegetables and salad and the like as "alternatives" or one of a few remaining "traditional" foods which don't mess with blood sugar too much. A small amount OK, like what people would have eaten 50 years ago. Salad was never "lunch" or "dinner" before we all went crazy after the 70s and it shouldn't be. Green vegetables are at most a small side dish alongside "real" food, absolutely smothered in pure butter, of course.

* Avoid lean cuts of meat. Of course, this has become much harder in recent decades with the fat-fear hysteria. The fat is what you need even more than the meat (protein is relatively easy to come by). Lamb is the best meat out there. Not only does it have a healthy amount of fat, but it even has an ideal Omega3 to Omega6 balance! It is unique in this. Grass-fed beef comes in second and chicken is one of the worst meats you can eat. It is WAY too lean and the fat is primarily the unhealthy Omega6 PUFAs. If cows are a must, ribeye and short rib are the healthiest cuts. Grass-fed is worth the extra cost if you can find some that some overgrown hippie in the "health" food store didn't complete denude of all its fat.

* Never buy ANYTHING marked "Low-Fat"! Forget milk and yogurt completely. Milk contains the equivalent of over 3 teaspoons of SUGAR in a single 8 oz serving. The same 8 oz of low-fat yogurt contains over FOUR teaspoons of sugar. The only thing I want from the cow besides the carcass is butterfat. This can be had from ghee, butter (look for grass-fed), labneh and heavy cream.

* To sweeten my coffee, my first choice is pure stevia. In a pinch, Splenda.
Thank you. I will be re-reading this several times to make sure I get all of it. I am actively ttc and getting my diabetes information from my ob-gyn who is accustomed to handling gestational diabetes. She wants me to eat 30 carbs at breakfast, 30 at lunch and 30 at dinner with 2 15-carb snacks in between. She also has me trying to maintain fasting BG under 95 and 1 hour after meal BG under 145.
I am freaking out a bit. I have never liked what my husband calls savory food. I've always loved bread and pasta. I understand I have important reasons to eat food I dislike, great reasons. I just have a hard time processing in my head though that I'll never get to enjoy those foods again. I almost just want to say screw it and go on a liquid diet or something.
But thank you again for the advice. I will be reading it and re-reading it.

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The problem there is that the complications from elevated blood glucose don't care about any of that, they just continue to develop any time we are over 140, irrespective of our emotional state.

Unfortunately this applies to all of us, not just women whose period is imminent.

Help us out by citing some actual numbers. "Without too much problem" does not allow anybody to make helpful suggestions. What does "really eating low carb" mean? How much carbohydrate per day.

There is a lot you can do to control your blood glucose, but you are going to have to make some big-time changes.

As did the rest of us.

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The problem there is that the complications from elevated blood glucose don't care about any of that, they just continue to develop any time we are over 140, irrespective of our emotional state.

Unfortunately this applies to all of us, not just women whose period is imminent.
You know, I never said I was going to go binge on the foods I shouldn't have. I was just hoping for some encouragement and advice. I know all the repercussions. Don't you ever have hard days and just want someone to talk to who understands?

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The problem there is that the complications from elevated blood glucose don't care about any of that, they just continue to develop any time we are over 140, irrespective of our emotional state.

Unfortunately this applies to all of us, not just women whose period is imminent.

Help us out by citing some actual numbers. "Without too much problem" does not allow anybody to make helpful suggestions. What does "really eating low carb" mean? How much carbohydrate per day.

There is a lot you can do to control your blood glucose, but you are going to have to make some big-time changes.

As did the rest of us.
I've actually already made "big-time changes". I did the very day I learned I was diabetic. Until a few days ago I had my fasting at 95 or below. I had my after meal running around 120. I eat under 30 carbs per meal.
I have read that around the time a woman's period is due, some women have BG that get harder to control. Apparently that is true for me, because I haven't changed my diet. And I'm exercising daily. Have been for a week and a half now.

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