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Old 12-22-2011, 15:22   #1
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When we found out 4 weeks ago hubby was Type 2 I jumped online and started researching. One of my first finds was this forum and YouTube cooking and education videos. The biggest thing I get from everywhere is Low Carb. The first thing I do is get almost every carb out of the house and go shopping online for things I have never heard of ( flax seed,almond flour,coconut oil,xanthan gum,erythritol,stevia,ect.) I call my aunt who is a school nurse now and has to go to classes for D every year plus her hubby in an insulin dependent Type2 and tell her what my plan is to help my hubby. The first thing she says is " diabetics need carbs or they can go into a coma state" (what? so I am doing more harm than good) I told her some of the meals I made for him and she asked where are his carbs. I am so confused and trying so hard to get this under control What there is fat that is Healthy? What there are vegetables that have carbs? OMG more research...

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I think that it is a balancing act especially for someone using insulin. Moderation. My feeling is that everyone in North America could cut way back on their carbs to no ill effects. Notice, I said cut back; not remove.

Also, in the era of the internet, there is much "false" info as well as results from poorly done research which is seldom peer reviewed.

Stick with this bunch here, actual users. Follow their guidance.

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do yourself a favor & get a carb list of foods you are to be eating.

I have the Atkins A New You. Loads of great info there. I follow this to a tee.
The Calorie King , fat & carb counter.

portion control. Is a must.
I only have 15cb for breakfast or less. the same with lunch. sometimes dinner too. never do I go over 60.

I have learned to NOT listen to others . Even my Dr & her team of reg. dietitians.

my eyes where opened when I found this forum.

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Thanks Caroline I will check out that book right now. I jumped in this right away changing his diet from the very first day but not seeing the results I thought I would. His sugar reading is a lil better but I want normal range ASAP. He still is not doing the exercise thing and it would probably help if he would. I jumped on the exercise bike right before bed in hopes he would follow suit...didn't work that way though I will keep buggin him til he gets tired of me and starts the exercise lol We have been married 22 years he should know by now I always win ~

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Many of us have discovered a Low Carb Way of Eating and it is fantastic. I had dieted on and off for years but always tended to gain the weight back. I also ate a higher carb, low fat, vegetarian diet for years before diabetes. When I was dx'd my dietician told me we need carbs and prescribed 60 carbs per meal plust 2 snacks of 30-45 carbs. That was way too many carbs for me and never brought my bgs much under 160-180. I discovered a book by Dr Bernstein, a long time Type 1 Dr. Bernstein's Diabetes Solution. A Complete Guide to Achieving Normal Blood Sugars. Official Web Site In the book he really gives you a medical history lesson about Diabetes and what it does to your body. He reversed a lot of his complication by using a very low carb diet. He even has menus and recipes in his book. That was my first introduction to Low carb. I think where the misinformation about low carb comes from is if you are on insulin and you don't lower the amount of insulin you are taking at meals to the amount of carbs you are eating. If you take too much insulin and eat too few carbs then there is a possiblility of going low. Most Type 2's have a safe guard system that puts out the hormone Glucagon if we are falling too low. It then signals liver to convert stored glycogen into glucose raising our bgs. The dangers with diabetics is going too low or going too high. If you eat low carb and keep your bgs in a relatively normal range, you should be OK. In my 5 years of Diabetes I have found the foods that spike me and given them up. They are grains, especially wheat flour, oatmeal, fruit, sugar, pasta, rice and potatoes. Pretty much every else I can eat. I have a fantastic diet of bacon and eggs or sausage, tons of salads and veggies, all sorts of meats and cheeses. I have discovered a new way of baking which is gluten and sugar free. I incorperate almond flour, coconut flour, flaxseed, pecan meal and real butter or coconut oil and make cookies, muffins, cakes even pizza. It is a little strange at first but you get used to it. When you start seeing bgs in the 80's after eating several Gluten Free Christmas cookies you will want to eat this way forever.

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Diabetes is a personal goal oriented disease. Its a balancing act between what your BG goals are, what you want your diet to be and what your are willing to do to maintain your BG goals.

You have to wonder why in the world your aunt would suggest you could into a coma with out carbs. If you are giving some one to much insulin yes you need carbs to keep from going hypo, remove the carbs, lower the insulin requirement.

My first thought after reading your OP is does your aunt's husband need insulin if he would have cut back on the carbs.

All of my wifes side of the family is of the same opinion including my daughter until her husband's D got out of control. Now she calls me for recipe advise on how to lower the carb count to keep him off of insulin.

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One of the saddest things you will encounter is that in addition to extremely bad advice, health care professionals are telling us outright lies. Whether ignorance or "conspiracy" could be discussed without end but one thing is clear: the advice they are giving is doing wonders for the multi-billion dollar diabetic medication industry.

If you husband is not taking insulin or certain medications actually capable of producing lows (Metformin which he was most likely given is NOT one of those), then there is absolutely no danger in reducing carbs, even all the way down to zero.

You can die from lack of protein. You can die from lack of fat. You cannot die from lack of carbs. There is no such thing as a "carbohydrate deficiency". Period.

Every person who finished medical school knows this or if not, should not have passed. It is not in dispute. The list of "essential" nutrients has been completed and there is not a single carbohydrate on it. Additionally, the entire list can be fulfilled even without eating a single carbohydrate-containing food.

Any fats found in nature and consumed in their natural state are "good" fats. All "fats" not found in nature or highly modified and/or processed are suspect and most likely "bad" fats. Good fats include coconut oil, butter, ghee, olive oil, avocados and all animal fats.

Blood sugar only comes from carbohydrates and protein, mostly the former. Reducing carbs a LOT and keeping protein moderate should be the first step and should be taken seriously. If done in earnest, the majority of T2s will find that they need no other treatment or medication of any kind.

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What there are vegetables that have carbs?
Yes, not only some, but all veggies have carbs. I don't know if you have heard of the glycemic index, but that is what helped me a lot when we first started eating low carb. We eat the ones that are low on the glycemic index, we stay away from the ones that are high, and for the ones that are medium, we eat them, look at how high they raise our bg, and if they raise it too much, we don't eat them again. For example, onions are medium on the index. My husband and I can eat them because they don't spike our bg, but some can't. Here is a link to a list of veggies and their glycemic index rating.

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I call my aunt who is a school nurse now and has to go to classes for D every year
I don't know whether or not your doctor has sent your husband to a dietitian yet, but if not, you are in for more of the same that you got from your aunt. Doctors and dietitians only know what they are taught, and unfortunately, they are taught what the American Diabetic Association (ADA) determines should be taught. Many of us started out trying to follow our dietitian's advice and found out there was no way to control our bg when eating that many carbs.

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What there is fat that is Healthy?
When you eat a normal (high carb) diet, your body burns carbs for energy, but when you eat low carb, it forces your body to burn fat for energy. That is why we eat high fat when eating low carb. Our bodies then burn not only the fat we eat, but also some of the fat that our body has stored. The result is not only can we get good control of our bg, but because we are burning stored fat, over time our cholesterol, triglycerides, HDL and LDL fall into line, and as an added bonus, because our body is burning stored fat, we can often lose weight without even trying.

Your best course of action is to continue to do what you are doing, then you can show your aunt in your husband's future blood work that not only is his A1c going down, but his lipids are also falling in line. My husband had been on high blood pressure medicine for quite a while, but LCHF has lowered his blood pressure into the normal range, and he was able to get off of his BP meds. LCHF is a very healthy way to eat.

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Thanks Caroline I will check out that book right now. I jumped in this right away changing his diet from the very first day but not seeing the results I thought I would. His sugar reading is a lil better but I want normal range ASAP. He still is not doing the exercise thing and it would probably help if he would. I jumped on the exercise bike right before bed in hopes he would follow suit...didn't work that way though I will keep buggin him til he gets tired of me and starts the exercise lol We have been married 22 years he should know by now I always win ~

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You should just get the Calorie King app on your iPad. It is free.

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