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Old 02-24-2016, 10:55   #1
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I think this post focuses on BG influenced by Insulin Resistance.

Marty Kendall's blog on using FBG/pre-meal BG as a guide to when to eat fascinated me. Mostly because I have been doing something very like this for some time now and, gradually, am seeing an overall (FBG & pre-/post-prandial) BG settling to very nice levels.

For me, there are hungry times when my BG/insulin level seems to be involved, and there are times when the autoimmune thing activates and either I eat or my temperature drops several degrees very quickly - leaving me weak for hours. And then there are days when everything seems to be working well and I hardly think about food. My BG tends to be very flat-line in the 80s or 70s those days.

Needless to say, learning to recognize my personal hunger triggers has become very important to me. As an old Intermittent Faster, I want all the autophagy (cellular clean-up) I can get...while not pushing myself into a temperature plummet.

This got me thinking about hunger in general.
Do you get hungry?
If so, do you check your BG to see what glucose & insulin are doing inside you?
Do you have hunger triggers?
What do you do when you get hungry?

Comments and discussion are as welcome as sunshine/rain (depending on your personal location and climate).

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1/ I wake up looking forward to my breakfast after ca a 16 hour fast

2/Yes I get hungry, about 7-7.5 hours after breakfast. I used to check out my ratio of BG [in mmoles/l]: Beta hydroxy butyrate [mmoles/l
The ratio would be less than 1 indicating low insulin ie low BG and high BHB.

3/ no hunger triggers, the LCHF put an end to that, thank goodness.

4/ in a pinch , on a cold winter day I may rarely need a booster, then I eat 30 grams of butter and that solves the problem. Hands and feet feel warm again.

P.S I eat only 2 meals a day, within an 8 hour window.

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Interesting. I'll need to read the blog but that'll have to wait until later today.

I DO have difficulty with meals and hunger because I need to eat small amounts at a time due to a hiatal hernia and mild gastro paresis. It's a balancing act. Perhaps what's in Kendall's blog will give me some helpful tips.

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Very interesting post.

I'll have to give it some thought.

(or as the Scots say, "have a think about that")

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Well it is interesting. Thanks for the link Nancy. This morning after I got the kids' breakfasts made and lunches packed I tested at 105. 2.5 hours later, nothing but black coffee I'm at 125. Waiting doesn't bring my bg down. It often raises it. Eating will usually bring it down.
My 14 day average on my meter is 106. It doesn't tell me 7 days. So I guess I could have eaten by his protocol (barely). I'm very hungry now so I will eat, probably cheese omelet. I usually do eat when I get hungry as LCHF as I can. My bg is usually lower in the afternoon and evening than in the morning if I eat breakfast.
I followed his link to the post on insulin load of various foods and that may be more helpful for me at this time.

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Interesting blog post!

I've been in ketosis for the most part of over 2 years now. I regularly intermittently fast, generally it is from dinner till lunch the next day or dinner to dinner. I eat breakfast a couple or 3 times a month. I try to keep my eating window within 6-7 hours. I have BPC every morning and that has calories from fat and maybe 1-2g carbs from HWC. I still consider it fasting, whether it is technically depends on your definition.

I eat when I'm genuinely hungry or when I think I should. Usually when I feel the need, I could easily go a couple of more hours before doing so without an issue. I haven't tested my BG when hungry and compared it to averages, it might be interesting though.

I'm an avid hiker and I can hike up steep mountains, expending a tremendous amount of calories for hours on an empty stomach and not get hungry. I'll hike with friends and they have to stop for energy bars, fruit (sugar) to keep them going. I'll be fine and just sip some water. I know my ever diminishing body fat is keeping me going happily and steadily all the while maintaining a constant BG level. It took a while for this to happen, maybe months of being in ketosis for me to be fully keto adapted where my BG wouldn't fall. Early on I'd have to eat fruit, or high carbs to bring up my BG or I'd start to feel faint and disoriented.

I haven't tested while hiking or before eating for more than a year, but maybe I will.

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Well it is interesting. Thanks for the link Nancy. This morning after I got the kids' breakfasts made and lunches packed I tested at 105. 2.5 hours later, nothing but black coffee I'm at 125. Waiting doesn't bring my bg down. It often raises it. Eating will usually bring it down.
My 14 day average on my meter is 106. It doesn't tell me 7 days. So I guess I could have eaten by his protocol (barely). I'm very hungry now so I will eat, probably cheese omelet. I usually do eat when I get hungry as LCHF as I can. My bg is usually lower in the afternoon and evening than in the morning if I eat breakfast.
I followed his link to the post on insulin load of various foods and that may be more helpful for me at this time.
By the time I actually got around to eating my bg was 96 and now an hour later 106. So maybe this is something to try to get my FBG to drop. I really would like to maintain in the 80-90 range 24/7, but FBG has been frustrating, also showering that spikes me way high.

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Wow, that's a fascinating article. Its hard for me to sometimes recognize hunger signals (as opposed to habit or thirst) so this may really help me. Thanks for bringing up the topic!

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A followup to my post above. I did a 24 hour fast, I did have a BPC containing about a Tbsp each of HWC and coconut oil in the early morning yesterday at about the 12 hour mark. I then did a very demanding hike and back country climb through deep snow and rock for about 6 hours without eating a thing. I really wasn't hungry either. For the record, I did a 24 hour fast the day before as well, so it's not like I was carb loaded previously.

My FBG was 92 upon awakening before the BPC. I tested half hour after hiking at 92 as well. I was tired, legs a bit overworked probably from wearing stiff soled mountaineering boots and climbing. Food sounded good as did sitting and resting but the need for food was not there and I could have gone to bed without eating.

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I'm at 125. Waiting doesn't bring my bg down. It often raises it. Eating will usually bring it down
When I was type 2 and I was a tad high (or at BF) I would have a small fat snack like a small piece of celery and mayo or 2 or 3 nuts and it was enough to elicit an insulin response and bring me down. Then I would stay down as well. I have a friend who goes high after tennis and she has 3 macadamia nuts and comes right back down.

I do get hungry when I don't get my insulin just right. I feel like BS / insulin are bickering. Lately I want to lose a few pounds and cut way back on fat and not only did I lose weight but had to lower insulin and hunger is gone. I eat smalls (snack size) and only bolus 1/2 unit and now haven't taken basal for 4 days. BS staying 75-95. Insulin makes me hungry. I think when I take more and doesn't match food perfectly I get hungry. At 1/2 unit it is easily over come and gone fast. I think even if BS doesn't show going low 1st that the body senses too much insulin and I get a dump, thus making me hungry. Not sure but reducing insulin has helped. The timing of insulin before a meal helps too. BTW I am also keto but fat matters

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