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Old 03-07-2016, 18:19   #1
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(OK, here's my general situation: 50 y.o. white male in generally very good health, very muscular frame, probably 20% body fat (i.e., not roly-poly), "heart of a man 20 years younger" (as per cardio flow test), cholesterol & blood pressure controlled by Rx - statin (15 years) & lisinopril (1 year), respectively. Very regular exerciser with resting heart rate in low 50s. Moderate insomniac, taking some zolpidem (can't take benadryl and the like because of prostate issue.)

I tend to eat a lot of red meat & potatoes, but relatively not big into sweets. I drink a moderate level of beer. I have a strong family history of cardiovascular problems, so I have been in the mode of maximum attack on cholesterol. As a young man I had total cholesterol LDL of about 190 and HDL of only 35, but now it's down to about 125 & 35, with the triglyceride level quite low (only a 2x ratio of triglyceride to HDL.) No family history of diabetes that I know of.

However, one level that has become increasingly bothersome is steadily rising glucose level; this has only been a bother with the test as I have not had (or at least think that I have had) any symptoms of high glucose level. As a young man, it was around 90, but starting about 10 years ago it started to edge up, and now is at 108.

I am wondering if these supplements, melatonin, niacin & fish oil, could be causing my blood sugar level to be higher than it would be if I were not taking it. Quick internet searches seem to indicate this, but it is difficult to sift through the various claims as proper vs. quacky. I am still under the 110 level to be considered as "under concern", but I would like to lower it by stopping these supplements if it would help, but I would rather not stop them, as I take them to help my health in other ways


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First a question: when you say your blood glucose has risen to around 108, is that a typical fasting number or random time during the day, or ...?

You say you don't eat sweets but do eat potatoes. I can tell you that my diabetic body doesn't much know the difference between sugar and white potatoes: both raise my blood glucose according to the number of carbs in the quantity I consume (well, if I were to eat them which I no longer do.)

fwiw - I take supplements, and have noticed no effect on my blood glucose. If there is any, it's microscopic and not relevant to my diabetes management the way other factors (primarily carbs) are.

My best suggestion would be to do more testing: fasting, before a meal of only potatoes, one hour after 1st bite of the potatoes, 2 hours after 1st bite - and then see what their impact was/wasn't. You might want to perform this test twice, on another day as well, to confirm.

Every diabetic body is different, and there are some foods that might raise bg in one person and not another. And those things can change. I used not to be able to eat a yam at all, and now after some years of control, I can have a small portion with plenty of butter without it budging my numbers. But I've yet to hear anyone say something like a white potato doesn't affect them.

Basically, I would look to other things than supplements for answers. And it wouldn't be just potatoes, but other high-carb foods as well.

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Like Moon said the most suspect is the carbs and potatoes and beer unfortunately have a lot. Carbs = sugar so it's something to keep in mind. On the other hand, Niacin is known to raise blood sugar in many people and is one of the side effects if you research it. It sure did raise mine when I tried it but testing is the only to know how it affects you.

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Statins may cause diabetes. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23456437

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How much fish oil are you taking? High doses will raise mine. Anything over three grams. But if you are still eating potatoes and drinking beer I'd say stop those before the fish oil. Beer is really high in carbs. So are potatoes.

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First a question: when you say your blood glucose has risen to around 108, is that a typical fasting number or random time during the day, or ...?
standard 12 hour fasting test.

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How much fish oil are you taking? High doses will raise mine. Anything over three grams. But if you are still eating potatoes and drinking beer I'd say stop those before the fish oil. Beer is really high in carbs. So are potatoes.
I take 1 gram of fish oil per day.

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Like Moon said the most suspect is the carbs and potatoes and beer unfortunately have a lot. Carbs = sugar so it's something to keep in mind. On the other hand, Niacin is known to raise blood sugar in many people and is one of the side effects if you research it. It sure did raise mine when I tried it but testing is the only to know how it affects you.
I have given up taking Niacin, so I'll have to see how it goes with my next test. Ironically there was a quack who didn't want to give me statins, but instead told me to take Niacin. I told her that with the bad family history of cariovascular problems - e.g., grandmother dying of heart attack at age 43, father having had 5 carotid replacement (or whatever that is called) plus the standard bypass & valve replacement - I need statins, so matter what the side effects are. (i quickly dispensed with seeing her.)

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You should probably be more concerned with your low HDL than your total C or LDL. It can be raised by eating less carbs and more fats, but avoid unsaturated fats and anything hydrogenated (check labels for that one, it's EVERYWHERE). That will also modify LDL from "small dense" to "large fluffy". This isn't checked routinely most places but is vitally important since those two are very different. It is only the first one (if any) that may be harmful and involved in CVD. The latter in benign.

Read up on statins. They do very little for very, very few people.

Please read the site from the link in the recent thread on saturated fats for more info.

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You should probably be more concerned with your low HDL than your total C or LDL. It can be raised by eating less carbs and more fats, but avoid unsaturated fats and anything hydrogenated (check labels for that one, it's EVERYWHERE). That will also modify LDL from "small dense" to "large fluffy". This isn't checked routinely most places but is vitally important since those two are very different. It is only the first one (if any) that may be harmful and involved in CVD. The latter in benign.
Everyone used to say that unsaturated fats is the good one! I eat a lot of well-fatted red meat - e.g., New York Strip and pork kabob - so I think I'm doing well in trying to boost that HDL via my diet. I use a canola-oil-aduncted butter to slather on my bread & potatoes. I avoid trans-fat whenever I can; is hydrogenated fat basically trans-fat?

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