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bignick 03-30-2016 16:08

FBG mid 80's and below
 
Do you regularly get FBG levels in the mid 80's and below? If you are not using any insulin, I'l like to know a bit about your diet, exercise level, any meds you take that help or other life style stuff.

I feel like I do it all, no cheat VLC/LC eating, no grains ever, intermittent fasting incorporated, lots of moving and exercise too. I also take 1000 mg metformin daily but can't get my FBG below the 95-109 generally.

I was lead to believe by a former member with authority that it was because of my diet, nothing else. I'm not buying it. I'd like to discuss this. What do you do?

moon 03-30-2016 16:27

Like you, I rarely have gotten fastings in the mid-80's and below, although I've considered myself a well-controlled diabetic. Unlike you, I don't think I did everything perfectly, but did do things bloody well (LCHF without exceptions).

Every diabetic body is different, and there are many T2s who do exactly as you do and still need insulin. You and I are among the fortunate ones whose bodies cooperate as well as they do. LCHF enables us to take less (or no) medication, but it can't undo the extent of our existing insulin resistance.

I realize I'm not telling you anything you don't already know, only encouraging you not to beat yourself up. There is only so much over which we have control.

Have you considered titrating up to 2000 mg metformin?

Philip 03-30-2016 16:50

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Originally Posted by bignick (Post 1103009)
Do you regularly get FBG levels in the mid 80's and below? If you are not using any insulin, I'l like to know a bit about your diet, exercise level, any meds you take that help or other life style stuff.

I feel like I do it all, no cheat VLC/LC eating, no grains ever, intermittent fasting incorporated, lots of moving and exercise too. I also take 1000 mg metformin daily but can't get my FBG below the 95-109 generally.

I was lead to believe by a former member with authority that it was because of my diet, nothing else. I'm not buying it. I'd like to discuss this. What do you do?

Do you eat more than 75-100 grams of protein/day ?

macksvicky 03-30-2016 17:01

Like Moon, I was also going to ask about increasing your metformin. It just might be what you need to bring your fasting down to where you're more comfortable.

bignick 03-30-2016 17:51

As far as the metformin, I'm thinking a goal is to try to eliminate it altogether, rather to up my dose. I'd like to be drug free if possible. Let's say for the sake of this conversation, I leave my met dose as it is.

I think meats and fish contain average 25-30% protein, and 100g = 3.5 ozs, thinking while I type. Usually I consume less than 75-100g protein a day, sometimes within that range and quite rarely over.

macksvicky 03-30-2016 18:21

That's a good goal to aim for to be med free. Even with your fasting numbers being higher than you would like, you are obviously doing something right judging by your last A1C, it's fantastic :)

VeeJay 03-30-2016 22:55

Those 80s FBG are beyond my reach. I don't think very many diabetics can achieve this level without some help. I suppose I could possibly get there if I ate a next-to zero carb diet, but since I'm already so restricted I wouldn't be willing to restrict any further.

Now, occasionally I DO drop into the 80s during the day if its been several hours since I ate (if my fat consumption is up and my liver doesn't dump! )

neohdiver 03-30-2016 22:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by bignick (Post 1103009)
Do you regularly get FBG levels in the mid 80's and below? If you are not using any insulin, I'l like to know a bit about your diet, exercise level, any meds you take that help or other life style stuff.

I feel like I do it all, no cheat VLC/LC eating, no grains ever, intermittent fasting incorporated, lots of moving and exercise too. I also take 1000 mg metformin daily but can't get my FBG below the 95-109 generally.

I was lead to believe by a former member with authority that it was because of my diet, nothing else. I'm not buying it. I'd like to discuss this. What do you do?

Mine is always below 100, and nearly always below 95. (My average for the last 1 wk, 2 wks, and 1 month is 91; since diagnosis it is 98) Is that close enough?
  • I test every new thing I eat with the goal of never exceeding 140. (Testing before I eat, 1 hour after, 2 hours after, and (if 2 hours is higher than 1 hour) at 3 hours.
  • I track every bite I eat (so if I was asked the question about how much protein I eat on average - or on a given day - I wouldn't have to reason it out. On 2/16, for example, I ate 62 grams of protein. It's in my diary on myfitnesspal.com)
  • I adjust what I eat based on what my BG is when I start the meal. If I'm over around 105, (and I have time) I drive it down first by eating an ounce of almonds or cheese - then test again in 30-45 minutes to make sure it is headed in the right direction; if I don't have time I limit my carbs that meal to around 10.
  • I space eating out - especially if a meal is carb-heavy - so that I am not eating any closer than 3 hours to my last meal (to avoid the additive effect of glucose that had not cleared out from the last meal before the new meal comes in)
  • I focus on (1) what my meter says I can eat, (2) hitting my protein target, and hitting 1200 calories. My philosophy is a bit different than others' here - I am actively working on losing 67 lbs (down 49, so far). It can't hurt - and (personally) my cholesterol levels are closely related to my weight. I'd rather lose weight than take statins (or have a fight with my doctor about why I don't want to).
  • This week I've added a 16:8 intermittent fasting (also not popular here). There is some evidence that running out your glycogen stores by fasting at least 16-18 hours may be helpful in resetting your first phase insulin response. I often don't eat until early afternoon anyway (aside from an experiment in trying to control my late morning dawn phenomenon), so all it takes to add a fast is getting home long enough before 10 so I can have my last meal by then. Not a bad thing. Again - it can't hurt and it might help.
  • I don't exercise - although I'll start soon. I climb stairs, rather than take an elevator and deliberately keep food in the kitchen (one floor down) rather than in my office so have to I climb stairs to get it.

I'm doing what I always do with a new medical condition - research, find a path with enough scientific data - or reasoning - for my comfort level, and follow it. If it's not getting me where I want to be, I adjust.

Bottom line - I know that (at least for now) I can manage my diabetes purely by diet. That makes me mostly happy. There are intriguing tidbits out there that suggest that for some people remission may be possible. That would make me ecstatic. I'm exploring those at the same time I'm continuing to maintain tight BG control by limiting my carbs to what my meter gives me permission to eat. If I stumble on anything that works better for me - I'll let you know.

Daytona 03-30-2016 23:40

A few years ago I was able to see fasting levels in the 80's with no medication. Then over years, it just crept up-up-up. Now without insulin my fasting is 150+.

At the time I thought my great #'s were due to my hard work alone. Now? I think I was just lucky that it worked as well as it did...

I have had to readjust my thinking to value good BG control over being medication free. For my sanity and health, I am glad that I finally got over trying for "just one more month" to magically manage with just diet and exercise.

I still eat LCFH and excerise as much as my health allows. I'm not using insulin to cover bad habits. Just using it to help with what my body clearly can't do anymore.

Lawrence D 03-31-2016 00:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by bignick (Post 1103009)
Do you regularly get FBG levels in the mid 80's and below? If you are not using any insulin, I'l like to know a bit about your diet, exercise level, any meds you take that help or other life style stuff.

I feel like I do it all, no cheat VLC/LC eating, no grains ever, intermittent fasting incorporated, lots of moving and exercise too. I also take 1000 mg metformin daily but can't get my FBG below the 95-109 generally.

I was lead to believe by a former member with authority that it was because of my diet, nothing else. I'm not buying it. I'd like to discuss this. What do you do?

No, I don't. My fbg runs about the same as yours with the same Met and a minimum Levemir nightly.

While lower numbers are achievable (possibly), at what cost ? Reasonable numbers in a healthy range (normal fbg is 70-99 now days; it used to be 70-130) with minimal meds isn't a bad thing. It allows flexibility in your diet, within reason, and takes the stress away from worrying about every little thing you put in your mouth. :)


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