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Old 07-24-2016, 23:05   #1
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So recently my doctor told me my AC1 test was 5.7. Just at the beginning range of Diabetes.

My BMI was 21 when diagnosed a week ago (it's now 20). Right when my doctor told me I cut out all sweets, all fruit juice, limit fruit to three pieces a day and no raisins dried fruit, very small portion of carbs, no overeating or second helpings of anything. No white bread pasta. The only bread I eat is Ezekiel bread at breakfast. I'm eating plenty of calories and I'm not feeling hungry.

I also walked 30-60 min every evening.

After I cut all this out, I instantly lost 5 + pounds. From EVERYWHERE. My face. Chin. Arms. shoulders. Hips. Literally everything feels like it must have had some kind of edema in it.

Is this typical in pre or regular diabetes? When you stop eating sugar to lose water weight everywhere? It's totally bizarre. My whole body feels completely different. I'm shocked.

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OOPS. I said "just the beginning range of Diabetes". I meant "pre-diabetes". But according to everyone on here pre already is diabetes so maybe it's fine.

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Hello

I feel like I may have diabetes 1.5. What do you smart people feel?

My BMI is 20. I am 5 feet 7 inches, 130 lbs. When I was diagnosed pre-diabetic a week ago I was 135.
For 10 years very very occasionally I took note that if I ate a meal with a lot of sugar I would get sleepy. This didn't happen often but I took mental note.
Also if I ate too much sugar i would get a weird feeling in my mouth like my body was saturated in sugar no matter how much a i brushed. This has been for 10 years, but only if I ate a ton of sugar.

But, in the last couple months I experienced maybe three times intense hunger. Like there was going to be an emergency level of hunger- it felt EXACTLY like when I was pregnant with my daughter.

During pregnancy I had no gestational diabetes. Which I think is rather odd. Not sure, but I thought correlation was quite high- most diabetics, as a precursor, get it while pregnant. But maybe you guys can tell me different!

Then my husband was saying I have peed a lot more the last 6 months (maybe longer)?

Then in the last month I was getting a bit dizzy after eating sometimes.

I also have white nails. More like Terry's nails. Have had this for three years. The while goes away if I bend fingers but when straight looks exactly like Terry's nails. I heard this can be a sign of pre-diabetes.

2 weeks ago I was given a routine physical exam test and while my fasting blood sugar was normal (maybe 90?) my AC1 test was 5.7.

And then there is the edema. As soon as I stopped eating sugar after my doctor told me I was prediabetic 2 weeks ago my body did an insane transformation. I lost 5 pounds within days and face, chin, arms everything seems so much thinner. It was bizarre.

My grandmother has pre-diabetes that never became diabetes from 40 until now (she is 86). She has never taken medication or insulin. Her parents both had diabetes but I don't know how it was managed (or not). My grandmother controlled it her whole life with diet and some mild exercise.

Any opinions are greatly appreciated!

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Welcome to the forum

You've come to a good place for help and encouragement as you begin your journey as a diabetic. Your doctor is one of the rare ones in that he told you to make those changes to your diet. This is what will help you the most, and what you will notice that most of the members here do to manage their blood sugars.

Here's a couple sites that should be helpful to you. Blood Sugar 101 (all you need to know about diabetes and what to do about it - see the article on "How To Lower Your Blood Sugar") and Low Carb for Beginners (describes the low-carb/high-fat (LCHF) way of eating that many on this forum do.)

Your question about water/weight loss right at first. Yes, that can happen when one greatly reduces carbohydrates. And at first one can feel bad and even dizzy - with the water loss was also loss of electrolytes, so increasing salt is very helpful for this.

You've made a good start on managing your diabetes. Do visit here often and ask any questions you may have along the way. The collective experience and knowledge of the members on this forum is awesome.

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Welcome! Yup it is completely normal to lose water weight when lowering carbs. It can come back just as quickly after a high-carb meal.

You said that you aren't sure if you have 1.5, also called LADA. You can ask your doctor for antibodies tests, specifically GAD, ICA, IA-2, IAA, and ZnT8. Each test looks for different ways that your body's immune system could be attacking your beta cells, islet cells, insulin directly, etc. Just testing for only one can sometimes miss things.

Nothing about your symptoms are indicative of an autoimmune response specifically, but they do all sound like diabetes and you are doing the right thing to learn more and lower your carb intake to control your blood sugar. As you've seen it's pretty effective. Anytime someone gets a diabetes diagnosis, it helps to know up front what you are dealing with, so I do encourage you to have your doctor know for sure.

Do you have a blood glucose meter yet? You'll find it to be an invaluable tool in gauging how well your medication/diet/exercise are working. Blood Sugar 101 (linked by VeeJay above) has good information on how to use it effectively.

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Many variables play a role in developing Type 2 diabetes.

Type 2 diabetes
1) Genetics
2) Early childhood
3) Fat cells/fat storage
4) Our gut health
5) Lifestyle
6) Fat accumulation
7) Hormones

You will not develop type 2 diabetes automatically if you have prediabetes. For some people with prediabetes, early treatment can actually return blood glucose levels to normal range.

I also know some Type 2 diabetics who do not have the typical indicators of Type 2. Instead these individuals have normal body weight, exercise routinely, low carb (less than 130g daily) diet, normal lipid levels, normal blood pressure, no family history.

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OOPS. I said "just the beginning range of Diabetes". I meant "pre-diabetes". But according to everyone on here pre already is diabetes so maybe it's fine.

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Thank you so much everyone! I appreciate your your feedback!

So just a few follow up questions one comment.

Actually my doctor gave me zero advice on diet. His office called, dispassionately dispensed the he news and that was all.
I changed my diet of my own after thinking about my grandmothers diet over the years and how she managed to not have it become full blown diabetes. I still feel a bit in the dark on some things, like how many grams of carbs am I aiming for a day? How many grams of sugar are ok? But I think that is probably very individual based on that glucose meter. I will also read through that website you guys recommended.

I too have very normal blood pressure: usually 110/70.

So I have some questions:

1) So as far as the water weight goes, does anyone know, scientifically, what brings on the edema with carbs? I'm interested in the mechanism behind this.

2) Also, towards the end of my pregnancy I had INSANE edema. After I gave birth (this is a decade ago) I must have lost 10-15 in water weight alone from my face + entire body. I was like a deflating balloon.

Is it possible they missed diabetes during pregnancy? If so, what would be a way they could have? I believe they gave me the glucose fasting test but I honestly cannot remember. It's been so long. I might call today and see if I can find out. Because seeing the way carbs affect me now it has me suspicious...

3) I also have a cascade of other weird hormonal symptoms that have crept in over the years.

-enough hair on my chin I would have a full goatee. I've had get electrolysis on hundreds and hundreds of hairs.
- my periods are longer than 45 days each time.
- terrible PMS. A week before I'm supposed to get it I will all the sudden feel like I have mono. I will be exhausted deeply.
- around period will get anxiety sometimes
- sometimes stress reaction that doesn't shut off (which I am currently experiencing for a week now). My head will feel so much pressure + short of breath feeling. It won't stop unless I sleep. This hasn't happened in a good few months. When it happens it feels like some hormone is out of control.
- I only put on weight in midsection and upper body- like a man. Lol. A touch will go to hips but really it's all in the upper body/ stomach when it happens. We are only talking about 5 or 10 pounds when gained but I've noted this.

So my question for this is, could my hormone issues being *causing* the diabetes? I read in some scientific article a while ago it could, but I wanted to know anyone who had experience with this.

Thank you!

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Ok. So I called. My blood glucose test when pregnant almost a decade ago was 120. They said it was to be less than 130 so was in range.

Is it possible to miss pre-diabetes though with this test? I was like a balloon haha. Thanks!

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When you cut way down on carbs, you typically lose 5-10 pounds of water weight (more depending on how sensitive you are). It's not necessarily edema. Carbs help to hold onto water. That is one reason why they push carbs (either food or in an IV) on dehydrated elderly people.

You should also know that it doesn't matter whether you eat a whole grain bread or pasta or standard white. The carbs are pretty much the same despite all the hoopla. The bigger difference is the size - I can get smaller loaves in white bread resulting in a 14 carb slice vs. the typical 22-23 carb slice of whole wheat or multigrain.

You might have been young enough to not test positive for GD, so I wouldn't consider that at all. Yes, it is possible for you to be type 1.5 given that you have been normal weight provided your diet didn't consist of a lot of sugar pop. So, it is worth checking. While the studies aren't clear yet, if you do have type 1.5, it may save beta cells to start insulin earlier.

There were a number of new youngish diabetics at my last diabetes class who were normal weight - however, prior to diagnosis they drank a LOT of sugar pop which is probably what caused problems. Most were active people so they burned off their calories.

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Ok. So I called. My blood glucose test when pregnant almost a decade ago was 120. They said it was to be less than 130 so was in range.

Is it possible to miss pre-diabetes though with this test? I was like a balloon haha. Thanks!
Nowadays a repeated fasting BG > 100 will get you flagged, even if you aren't pregnant. Over the years they have lowered acceptable fasting levels a few times.

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