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Old 08-18-2017, 20:34   #11
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Something you might want to google and read one good article on is what scientists call confusing correlation with causation. In simple terms it means that just because two things occurred together doesn't mean that one caused the other. There very well be another explanation. This is a major fact in the issue of the vaccination/autism thing. The people who believe that one caused the other continue to reject what the top scientists have to say on the subject. People can become emotionally attached to their beliefs. Also, look up confirmation bias. That's also a good thing to understand if you want to develop critical thinking skills.

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@Hillary Clinton as I mentioned in a previous thread sometimes we have to agree to disagree. If what you are doing is working and you are happy with your results, please do not consider changing a thing. Do not however, discourage others from discovering what does or does not work for them. That simply isn't what we are about around here.

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Do you know how much money is wasted in this country by guys who are afraid of going bald or wish their penis was bigger? Don't you think that if that is the case with someone you know you should try to bring scientific facts to their attention? Of course everyone has the right to reject good advice. However, if you lack what's called-a healthy degree of skepticism you will get ripped off many times in this life. If the experts say a product is snake oil then it's probably the case.

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Something you might want to google and read one good article on is what scientists call confusing correlation with causation. In simple terms it means that just because two things occurred together doesn't mean that one caused the other. There very well be another explanation. This is a major fact in the issue of the vaccination/autism thing. The people who believe that one caused the other continue to reject what the top scientists have to say on the subject. People can become emotionally attached to their beliefs. Also, look up confirmation bias. That's also a good thing to understand if you want to develop critical thinking skills.
I cant agree more... its like the conclusion that the medical field came to in the 70s between eating fat and heart attacks. You are so right my friend

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Do you know how much money is wasted in this country by guys who are afraid of going bald or wish their penis is bigger? Don't you think that if that is the case with someone you know you should try to bring scientific facts to their attention? Of course everyone has the right to reject good advice. However, if you lack what's called-a healthy degree of skepticism you will get ripped off many times in this life. If the experts say a product is snake oil then it's probably the case.
As I mentioned a few times now, we need to agree to disagree. My results speak for themselves, along with a very recent eye exam that showed NO evidence of diabetes.

I am respectfully asking you one last time not to interfere with our members making their own decisions based on what does and does not work for them.

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Okay, back on topic...

With all the conflicting advice out there, how do you know if your treatment and nutritional choices are best for you?

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Okay, back on topic...

With all the conflicting advice out there, how do you know if your treatment and nutritional choices are best for you?
I have said this before but I have to do things in the extreme case. for ME, I can not do things in moderation. it might work for some people and it might be what a doctor would recommend but I simply know myself and I can not do whats been told to me or what others have done and works.

my results are great and I know I have to do it this way. Keto 4 life!

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how do you know if your treatment and nutritional choices are best for you?
I'm still somewhat in the process of figuring it out. But I go by personal results, backed by the expectation of those results by analysis, and supported by my personal buy-in.

To explain, before I got to this site, I'd never considered LCHF as a WoE. It's so far opposite of how we've been told for years to eat. Yet, a couple of months in, I can see the results on my meter and I expect confirmation in my A1c and HDL/LDL/Tri numbers.

There's some odd treatment that works for every illnesss. People laugh their way out of cancer or pray their way out of paralysis or exercise until they can run marathons again. But that treatment won't cure 99% of the people with that illness.

Lots of people here eat LCHF and it works (though sometimes additional meds are needed). The documented success of all those people -- over years -- supports the idea that LCHF does work in controlling BG.

The folks here also really good about realizing that the specifics may vary for each individul. Questions are answered with personal experience, data, and links to scientific studies, not with a cult of personality or references to junk science.

And LCHF works for me. I can maintain this WoE because I don't feel continually hungry or particularly deprived. I see and feel the results. In the end, it's biologically sound and it's working. I think I'm on the right track.

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I test my BG thats how I know if my decisions are good or bad

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Oh, I forgot one more thing that really clicked in my head for me.

Back in March @hftmrock used an analogy of "being allergic to carbs" in a thread. For some reason, that really resonated with me. If I was allergic to nuts, I wouldn't even consider a taste of nuts, a cheat meal with nuts or even take a weekend to enjoy some nuts. I wouldn't want to suffer the consequences, ya know?
You know what really resonated with me is when Dr. Hallberg said something about "carbohydrate toxicity." I thought, "Oh yeah." Funny how things just click. The "nut allergy" is good too .

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Those recent numbers don't sound so bad. Your next A1c should be a good bit lower than the 10. if you stick with the plan.
Thank you. I'm really trying hard .

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