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Old 09-19-2017, 05:53   #11
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I like to add in addition to what we eat especially carb intake which is the most talked about culprit for elevated blood sugars, our stress hormones play an important role in managing blood sugar and can spike levels even without eating. These hormones and their effects are often overlooked and not talked about nearly enough including the doctors that treat it. Additional ways blood sugar can climb are taking certain types of medications, having an illness or infection (cold, urinary tract infection, heart attack), injury, surgery, and pain also contribute to higher glucose levels.

Below are the three counter regulatory stress hormones:

Epinephrine (adrenaline) which is released from nerve endings and the adrenals, and acts directly on the liver to promote sugar production (via glycogenolysis). Epinephrine also promotes the breakdown and release of fat nutrients that travel to the liver and that are converted into sugar and ketones.

Cortisol is a steroid hormone also secreted from the adrenal gland. It makes fat and muscle cells resistant to the action of insulin, and enhances the production of glucose by the liver. Under normal circumstances, cortisol counterbalances the action of insulin. Under stress, cortisol levels become elevated.

Growth Hormone is released from the pituitary, which is a part of the brain. Like cortisol, growth hormone counterbalances the effect of insulin on muscle and fat cells. High levels of growth hormone cause resistance to the action of insulin.

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So if you eat low carb diet, let's say no carbs, is the liver the sole producer of glucose for the bloodstream?
I think this link with diagrams and short explanations will help visualize the roles and processes of the liver and blood sugar.

https://dtc.ucsf.edu/types-of-diabet...r-blood-sugar/

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Old 09-19-2017, 12:04   #13
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It's great to be skeptical. I was too but I was also skeptical to what the doctors and the ADA was recommending when I was trying to figure out what to do. That's what led me here. You will blaze your own path on what you want to do

I believe you will find it very difficult to get off of medication without some form of lchf lifestyle. I know it's working for me without any medication. What the ADA has recommended has put the United States in a position where 50% of the population is diabetic or prediabetic. The ADA guidelines was not a choice for me because they clearly failed and the reason they went in the direction they did was horribly flawed and we are now paying the price

I am in the best shape of my life. I am eating only essential nutrients (carbs is not an essential nutrient) and I am happier, healthier and medication free. My doctor tells me I should stay in the office and help others that show up. It would make his life easier.

You need to go with what you believe and what you find works for you. We are here to help you find answers to your questions so you can make the best choices for yourself

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Blood Sugar 101 - VERY informative and accurate
http://www.diabetesforum.com/diabete...ng-method.html a tried and true testing method
https://www.dietdoctor.com/low-carb lists foods for LCHF

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You are 100% right that stress and other medications can cause issues with blood sugar. We talk about that here on the forum many times. Search through the threads to see more info on that . There is no doubt that those are factors

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https://www.dietdoctor.com/low-carb lists foods for LCHF

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Oh , 1 more thing I forgot . Living a keto lifestyle has been proven to be safe because doctors tell children who have seizures to go to this lifestyle and it is very effective in reducing seizures. They have been telling children with seizures to go to this lifestyle for many years. If it was unsafe, they would not tell this to children. They have been treating seizures this way since the 1920's.

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Thanks, Hearts Journey. Helpful info.

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They have been telling children with seizures to go to this lifestyle for many years. If it was unsafe, they would not tell this to children.
I'm not contesting the value of keto ways of eating for children with seizures (I simply don't know). I also believe firmly in the value of a keto/LCHF WoE for diabetics.

But saying "If it was unsafe, they would not tell this to children"... Well, the ADA guidelines (45-60g of carbs per meal) are told to children (and adults). So are those recommendations "safe"? Many/most of us here don't think so.

I don't want to be jumping on writing that was maybe less-than-fully thought out. I'm mostly playing Devil's Advocate. But if we are willing to accept diet advice based on repetition and the target audience, it's difficult to dismiss the ADA's recommendations when they're doing essentially the same thing and, as far as we can support scientifically, having similar results.

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We can say eat no carbs but we can't do that. Eating meat (muscles contain glycogen-stored glucose) and most everything contains a small amount. If something says 0 carbs, that only means there is less than 0.5 grams per the serving size.

The kidneys also produce glucose, but the liver handles the majority of the producing.

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