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Old 06-07-2018, 03:24   #11
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As far as KETO being a "fad diet", it's history appears to go back to about 1921..
ummmm cavemen and cavewomen?

they didnt eat bread, pasta, oatmeal... it was meat and fat and probably some greens

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One thing I forgot to consider is that it could also be depression.
It can be because of an agglomeration of ills too; since life can blend into a confused mess, and people need to vent their frustration. Diabetes is confounding, and you can get beaten down by it.

I fuss and fume all the time, and I realize that it does not get me anywhere, but it blows off steam. But, if I stop there, and stay there, and become bitter, I am done for.

BTW: It might do well to have a thread, for grumping and grouching. Where people can vent.

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BTW: It might do well to have a thread, for grumping and grouching. Where people can vent.
I think the Daily Check-in Support Thread would be a good place for that.

A little grumping and grouching is fine, and it performs a service for the grump-er

However, I firmly believe pain is not a stopping place. I tend to quit listening to constant grumping when it's never accompanied by attempts to address the pain and move on. But I think the Support thread would be a good place to crab about the experience of living with diabetes in an environment in which people can commisserate.

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Maybe sometimes people just aren't ready to CHOOSE to take control of their own health.

I think some folks also think maybe it is pointless. I want to be here for those people as well...

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I believe some folks think that as long as their doctor puts them on medication, they can continue to live the lifestyle they are currently living, without worries.

Some people want to change, but can't. Some people can change but don't want to. Some have given up and some will never give up. And for some, it takes a near-death experience.

Do people want answers? Yes, I think they do. Unfortunately, some of these same people are in the pharmaceutical industry and don't want answers that will prevent them from creating more medications.

This is the double edged sword we balance on daily.

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One thing that I have noticed with people - not just people with diabetes but any long term condition - mental health is downright essential to getting back on track. Now that's a big problem, as Mental Health or the lack of mental health seems to be somewhat of a pandemic at the moment.
Based on what I have witnessed with others - those who are given some bad news like - you have diabetes - you have to change your lifestyle, take insulin and meds or you could potentially be inflicted with all these terrible complications ...
Well that piece of news is difficult for someone to deal with who is mentally healthy - those who are already struggling with their mental health often just give up.
Don't know how that can be changed - but that's a big hurdle for a lot of people.

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Well that piece of news is difficult for someone to deal with who is mentally healthy - those who are already struggling with their mental health often just give up.
Don't know how that can be changed - but that's a big hurdle for a lot of people.
Agreed. Us humans are complex creatures (well, sometimes, anyway).

Maybe such support should be offered as part of the diabetes "education" offered to newly-diagnosed diabetics and as part of the "living with diabetes" sessions that some health care systems offer. So much time is spent on what to eat now and how important it is to monitor our blood pressure and skin now and so little is spent on helping people adapt to what likely is a significant change in their lifestyle. Maybe alter the treatment plan to include the money for a few hours of mental-health support -- a chat with a psychologist or a diabetes support group, whatever. It could be done. It's just a matter of the will to do it right.

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The "will to do it right" by the diabetic or the support group?

Would they do the mental health counseling as a stand alone session about dealing with a disease or would it be aimed at diabetes specifically? I think it would be aimed at diabetes and the sessions would be highly influenced by the ADA and further misguide new diabetics.

I haven't figured out yet if I am a pessimist or a realist.

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I think many people are naturally resistant to the idea of changing status quo.

For some people, it's a matter of upbringing -- they were never given the space or encouragement to question authority, to think critically of ideas or facts put before them.
“All psychiatrists have in common that when they are caught on camera or on microphone, they cower and admit that there are no such things as chemical imbalances/diseases, or examinations or tests for them. What they do in practice, lying in every instance, abrogating [revoking] the informed consent right of every patient and poisoning them in the name of ‘treatment’ is nothing short of criminal.” —Dr. Fred Baughman Jr., Pediatric Neurologist


“The theories are held on to not only because there is nothing else to take their place, but also because they are useful in promoting drug treatment.” —Dr. Elliott Valenstein Ph.D., author of Blaming the Brain


Psychiatry almost killed me, well actually it still might cause that poison they call treatment injured my pancreas and gave me diabetes but after learning the truth about psychiatry I try and help others escape its grip and many refuse to even consider what I am telling them might be true. I am a "conspiracy theorist."

I have seen it 100s of times having worked in mental health and still volunteer, the doctor gives them all this poison (like the doctors before that made them so sick they are now at dual diagnosis rehab) they get worse so the solution is more and more of the same. They NEVER ask what were you like BEFORE you started taking psychiatric drugs.

In group if the subject of medication comes up everyone *****es about side effects or the drugs don't work or the doctors an a hole but at the same time they keep taking the stuff thinking this time it will be different instead of MAKING it different by turning their backs and walking away from psychiatry and recovering like I did.

Even the owner of the place sees it and had no problem with me telling them like it is.

But anyway I get your frustration with diabetics who won't question the status quo despite nothing but bad results. Frustrating as hell.

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