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Old 06-05-2018, 16:23   #1
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My question is sincere. Are most people (outside of this community) just looking to complain about diabetes-related challenges or are they actually looking for solutions?

Let me explain. I was browsing diabetes-related topics again on social media (Yes, I really need to stop doing that, but I truly want to understand more.) and I was blown away by the sheer volume of complaints and whining with no responses regarding solutions or how to prevent the issues altogether.

Don't get me wrong. I think ALL of us need a place we can vent and tell folks when we are sick and tired of being sick and tired, but shouldn't we also be looking for solutions?

What do YOU feel it takes to help people understand that they don't always have to accept the way things are, that they can find better ways to deal with diabetes?

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I think many people are naturally resistant to the idea of changing status quo.

For some people, it's a matter of upbringing -- they were never given the space or encouragement to question authority, to think critically of ideas or facts put before them.

For some, it's a matter of being risk-averse. Taking the reins of your own medical care requires research, understanding the pros and cons of different treatments, some sacrifice -- and there is the potential to guess wrong and suffer the consequences of having made that choice.

I know too many diabetics who complain about how lousy they feel. I see them as trapped on a treadmill (except that at least on a treadmill they'd get some exercise). They eat anything they want (because that's what their "educator" told them), believing they can "cover" the carbs with insulin or whatever drug they're taking. They haven't drawn the conclusion that eating fewer carbs likely would call for less medication and lower side effects. Their doctor told them everyone in their condition gets a statin and it makes their joints and muscles ache so they don't want to move and exercise (which also would help their BG), but they chalk it up to age or the diabetes and don't think that maybe the fix is the problem.

There are people who just don't have the time or who have other medical or mental issues which make challenging the norm possible. But I see so many "stuck" diabetics and it just makes me sad.

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What do YOU feel it takes to help people understand that they don't always have to accept the way things are, that they can find better ways to deal with diabetes?
It might be more about one's belief system. I was very lucky - my Dad was a Professor and had very strong opinions on things. The rule he lived by and something he told me consistently throughout my life:

"Only believe a 1/4 of what you read, 1/3 or what is being said, and only a half of what you see!"

Depending on the day - his quantities 1/4 vs 1/3 vs half would change. But I too have lived by that rule and that's why regardless of what one says I always question the conventional wisdom of the day be it diabetes management or whatever and won't take anything at face value until I'm able to validate it.

So I have my Dad to thank and the old geezer is still alive and kicking, independent and just as opinionated now at the tender age of 84.

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One thing I forgot to consider is that it could also be depression.

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It might be more about one's belief system. I was very lucky - my Dad was a Professor and had very strong opinions on things. The rule he lived by and something he told me consistently throughout my life:

"Only believe a 1/4 of what you read, 1/3 or what is being said, and only a half of what you see!"

Depending on the day - his quantities 1/4 vs 1/3 vs half would change. But I too have lived by that rule and that's why regardless of what one says I always question the conventional wisdom of the day be it diabetes management or whatever and won't take anything at face value until I'm able to validate it.

So I have my Dad to thank and the old geezer is still alive and kicking, independent and just as opinionated now at the tender age of 84.
I think your dad and mine went to the same school, mine used to tell me the same thing.

My dad and my my mother's stepdad were both mechanics trained in the Air Force. After their retirements, I worked for both of them as a teenager, repairing lawn mowers and outboard motors. In order to figure out and fix what is wrong with something, it really helps to understand how it was designed and supposed to work. I learned this applies to almost everything and is not exclusive to mechanical applications.

Acquiring a good understanding is something that is also very time consuming and beyond many of our levels of education. Many people are very busy doing what they do really well and do not have the time to venture into other things and tend to rely on others that specialize in other areas for taking care of things. We let our trust that those trained in certain specialties know what they are talking about. Unfortunately, that is not always the case.

Many diabetics I know, believe that they can do what they want and take a pill too fix it, because that is what they have been told by their experts.

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I cant speak for anyone else but there is a lot of blame in my mind.

First - Doctors. - we have been brought up to believe that doctors are G-d and what they say must be accurate and you couldnt possibly know more then a doctor so all my problems will be resolved by the doctor so why complain about it. Before my diabetes, I have always listened to my doctor and never thought twice about it. But because the doctor diagnosed me and told me to see an endocrinologist that took 5 weeks to get an appointment, I was forced to look for answers and thank g-d I found this site and read and watched hundreds of articles and videos. I put the pieces together only because I had a 5 week gap. if the doctor gave me meds immediately, I dont know if I am doing what I am doing now. I took blood pressure meds he gave me without thought (until I didnt need them anymore)

Second - Big Pharma - Even though there is a ton of evidence that the ADA got it wrong touting a low fat diet , the place that loses big if people ate what they should and research and determine what makes sense is big pharma. They will do anything and everything to keep you on meds

Third - Media. Everywhere you look its LOW FAT LOW FAT LOW FAT! anything else is a conspiracy theory and you are nuts. How can fat be healthy? Bacon over oatmeal? You are delusional and Im not listening to you. Everywhere is low fat advertisements. How can anyone wade through the garbage to see the real deal.

Places like this forum scare people. we talk about things that absolutely goes against the grain and I purposely try my hardest not to yell at people telling them to STOP LISTENING TO THE MEDIA AND LOOK AT LOGIC AND FACTS AND LETS US SHOW YOU WHAT WORKS FOR US. WE WANT TO HELP YOU

but to some, we are a conspiracy or a fad or something.

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https://www.dietdoctor.com/low-carb lists foods for LCHF

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Diabetes requires the discipline of a Olympics finalist in Gymnastics as he/she masters the balance, technique, agility, and strength of each event, the endurance of a marathon runner, and the competitiveness to understand diabetes so one can make the necessary strategy changes to improve they're glucose control, health, and happiness. But just as important is mentoring, sharing, and making a difference towards other human beings who also have diabetes.

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Places like this forum scare people. we talk about things that absolutely goes against the grain and I purposely try my hardest not to yell at people telling them to STOP LISTENING TO THE MEDIA AND LOOK AT LOGIC AND FACTS AND LETS US SHOW YOU WHAT WORKS FOR US. WE WANT TO HELP YOU

but to some, we are a conspiracy or a fad or something.
I totally agree with you. Most of the newbies are very amenable to the information here, but some are not, and I get it! Who wants to give up all your favorite foods?

However, when you have lots of people sharing their stories and what works for them (keto and/or LCHF), they cannot all be wrong or all hype. I'm still fairly new. I was diagnosed last year, and I remember how scared I was. All I kept seeing were flashes of my Dad, who suffered terribly with complications of diabetics. But I also had flashes of my Mom, and how she managed her T2 without any complications. She died from a unrelated disease. I focused on the positive, and with the guidance and support from everyone here, it just made it easier for me.

I look at diabetes as a second chance in life. I am going to do everything I can to manage my diabetes and live a healthy life.

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In one of the Facebook diabetes groups I follow, you're not allowed to mention anything (as treatment) for diabetes except the ADA. So of course, you cannot mention things like LCHF/KETO. They do of course seem to find it okay to make fun of people who control their diabetes that way though.

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It doesn't make me mad at all. It makes me sad that so many people don't understand that they CAN have better control of their diabetes.

As far as KETO being a "fad diet", it's history appears to go back to about 1921...

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Even without going as "far" as keto, very-low-carb diets were how diabetes was treated decades before insulin was near common and drug manufacturers came up with all kinds of complicated drugs to take.

Kinda makes you wonder what's in it for them to stick with their story. Is that what sponsored that thread?

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