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Old 05-12-2012, 02:15   #31
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Oh and also the dieticians were harking about how I am consuming saturated fat when drinking Calorie Countdown milk. I'm like you've got to be kidding me! It's like 2% for crying out loud. And Yet they keep pointing to my cholesterol counts from October 2011 as if that somehow proves any thing (that was from when I ate whatever I wanted whenever I wanted).
I think it's more important to look at the big picture than to focus on individual foods. First of all, in a healthy diet, a person is permitted to have up to 7% of their daily caloric intake to be composed of saturated fats. So for a 2000 kcal/day diet, that's 140 kcal or 15.6 g of saturated fats. And although it is true that foods high in saturated fats and trans fats raise your cholesterol more than foods that are high in cholesterol do, only about 20-60% of fats in foods get absorbed by your body. The remaning 40-80% is produced by your liver and you can't do anything about it.

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I'm awaiting Smorgan's response to your limit on sat. fats...




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I'm going to need citations showing that dietary fats increase serum cholesterol. That is simply not true and there are plenty of studies now that refute the age-old myth that it does. My own lab results attest to that fact. I eat all I can hold of butter, cream, sour cream, avocados, and more. My lipids numbers are in my signature.

Furthermore, our bodies manufacture about 85% of our cholesterol - sometimes more.

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I think it's more important to look at the big picture than to focus on individual foods. First of all, in a healthy diet, a person is permitted to have up to 7% of their daily caloric intake to be composed of saturated fats. So for a 2000 kcal/day diet, that's 140 kcal or 15.6 g of saturated fats. And although it is true that foods high in saturated fats and trans fats raise your cholesterol more than foods that are high in cholesterol do, only about 20-60% of fats in foods get absorbed by your body. The remaning 40-80% is produced by your liver and you can't do anything about it.
7% fat ??? That would mean 20% protein and 73% carbs, and that's high on protein. 1460 calories from carbs / 4 is 365 grams of carbs? Did I miss something or did you call this healthy? If healthy, by who's definition and healthy for who?

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It sounds like you are already doing the one thing I was going to suggest. Although your husband is right to be concerned about you having lows on insulin, I agree with you that it would be the better route to take during your pregnancy. Pregnancy is very stressful on the body, so any relief you can give to your pancreas not to mention the relief your fetus will have from your blood sugars not swinging wildly, will be a bonus for you.

My suggestion was going to be to start on insulin therapy before you got pregnant, in order to iron out the highs and lows. For me, it took me just a few months to find the right balance, which for me was to switch to the basal/bolus method. Although I've only ever been on Lantus for my basal insulin, I've found it to be a very smooth and predictable insulin.

The few times I experienced hypos on it was when I was taking 70 units a day, when I was trying to iron out my post-meal highs. Now that I am using Lantus as a basal and Humalog as a bolus, I am taking only 25 units of Lantus per night and maybe 10-12 units of Humalog per day.

So, I've basically cut my insulin use in half and not experienced very few lows at all. I have even fasted for two days and the Lantus kept my blood sugar between a stable 82 - 95 mg/dL, which is exactly where I like it to be. When I stick to eating less than 100 g of carbs per day and split it up to about 25-30 per meal, I don't even need to take the Humalog, as the Lantus seems to keep me from going much about 130 mg/dL after my meals.

I wish you the best for a smooth pregnancy and a lifetime of happy parenting!

Yeah that is our goal to get my sugars in check before I try to get pregnant. That is why I told her that I wasn't interested in trying other oral meds and didn't want to stay on Janumet since it is not going to be ok to take it if I do get preggo. Also the Janumet was still not completely working on my morning numbers.

I have no idea if I will be able to get pregnant or not as we have never tried. I do know it can be difficult for people with PCOS. I am due to go back for her to check up on me on June 29th and hopefully I will have my sugars under control by then.

The only thing I didn't like was that since she changed my meds again, she wanted to wait to do my a1c and cholesterol check etc on June 29th. I haven't had my a1c done since diagnosis in October 2011!!! I have no idea how I am doing except that my morning sugars like to rise bout an hour before I wake up. Ugh.

But I do think I am finally on the right medication.

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7% fat ??? That would mean 20% protein and 73% carbs, and that's high on protein. 1460 calories from carbs / 4 is 365 grams of carbs? Did I miss something or did you call this healthy? If healthy, by who's definition and healthy for who?

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I said 7% from saturated fat, not total fats. An overall fat/carbs/protein ratio isn't what I was referring to.

My sources on that are the American Heart Association and United States Department of Agriculture.

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I'm going to need citations showing that dietary fats increase serum cholesterol. That is simply not true and there are plenty of studies now that refute the age-old myth that it does. My own lab results attest to that fact. I eat all I can hold of butter, cream, sour cream, avocados, and more. My lipids numbers are in my signature.

Furthermore, our bodies manufacture about 85% of our cholesterol - sometimes more.

If you wanna see our citations, we got 'em - just ask.
I think I stated that one's body produces the majority of our own cholesterol, so we agree on that point.

And again, in regards to whether or not fats increase serum cholesterol, we are in agreement. If one carefully reads my originally post, I only referred to saturated fats.

While it's true that there is a debate within the scientific community whether or not fats raise blood cholesterol, what does seem more evident from research is that when people remove "bad" fats from their diet and then replace them with refined carbohydrates, the person sees no net benefit in their health. Whereas people that replace "bad" fats with good fats like mono and polyunsaturated fats, especially omega-3 fats, do show improvements in their lipid profiles. My sources on that are the Harvard School of Public Health.

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When I say I want to see a citation, I mean a link to your source, but never mind - I already know the link.

The fats I am referring to are natural saturated fats. When our own bodies manufacture NATURAL SATURATED FAT, it's a darn hard sell that it's bad for us to eat it. These are the fats which brought my own total cholesterol to 164. I not only use a couple ounces of heavy cream in my coffee of a morning, I stir in a coupla spoonfuls of coconut oil. I eat fried foods every day, fried in coconut oil and/or authentic dairy butter. I bake a butternut squash and I drown it in butter. There is NO risk in eating natural saturated fats. It's those PUFAs you might want to watch out for - study up on those, PB.




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