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dezmay 05-04-2012 16:47

Propylene glycol (PG) and Vegetable Glycerin (VG) on Vapes for Smoke Quiters
 
Hello Everyone,

Another time to post here for i know in here i will get the answer i need.

You see i am a smoker and we all know how smoking are bad for those who have diabetes. I am looking for alternatives to quit and found this e-cigarettes or what they called "Vaping" instead of "Smoking". I tried it with flavors and the sweet taste concerns me. I tried some research and found out that main ingredients for the liquiq you pour inside before you vape are Propylene glycol (PG) and Vegetable Glycerin (VG).

Anyone who vapes here? Are those two main ingredients bad for me?

They sell those liquids in 10ml per bottle and have no idea on how many in grams or in milligrams those two substance are because what is written on the bottle is so smal! But! i will still find a way to know it.

But yeah, Anyone who knows if those are bad to intake?

More power! And thanky ou in advance for any reply i will get.

David Burke 05-04-2012 17:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by dezmay
Hello Everyone,

Another time to post here for i know in here i will get the answer i need.

You see i am a smoker and we all know how smoking are bad for those who have diabetes. I am looking for alternatives to quit and found this e-cigarettes or what they called "Vaping" instead of "Smoking". I tried it with flavors and the sweet taste concerns me. I tried some research and found out that main ingredients for the liquiq you pour inside before you vape are Propylene glycol (PG) and Vegetable Glycerin (VG).

Anyone who vapes here? Are those two main ingredients bad for me?

They sell those liquids in 10ml per bottle and have no idea on how many in grams or in milligrams those two substance are because what is written on the bottle is so smal! But! i will still find a way to know it.

But yeah, Anyone who knows if those are bad to intake?

More power! And thanky ou in advance for any reply i will get.

While I can't help with your question, I will applaud your efforts for quitting. I quit 5 years ago so I understand your challenges.

Best wished to you!

Sent from my iPhone

dezmay 05-04-2012 19:02

Thank you. I am now doing what i think is my first step for my health. I am getting older and quit smoking is on top of my list.

Also while searching is see this...


"Propylene glycol acts as a humectant in some food items. A humectant is a component that preserves moisture. The most common humectant found in food items is in the artificial sweetener Sorbitol. Diabetes sufferers use artificial sweeteners because their bodies cannot process regular sugar. Propylene glycol creates an effect that prevents the development of bacteria and molds. This effect warranted the addition of propylene glycol to Sorbitol because it helps maintain the product’s hygienic quality. In essence, it also acts as a preservative that extends the product's shelf life."


Anyone have bad opinion about it?

dezmay 05-04-2012 20:01


"Vegetable glycerin is also known as vegetable glycerol. It is a carbohydrate that is usually derived from plant oils. It is used as a sweetener and as an ingredient in a number of cosmetic products. Vegetable glycerin is also used in place of alcohol to extract botanicals.

Glycerin is an organic compound composed of three carbon atoms, hydrogen atoms, and three OH groups. These OH groups form hydrogen bonds with water, slowing down its movement and giving liquid glycerin the property of a syrup. It is also resistant to freezing, a property used in storing sensitive liquids, such as enzymes, in laboratory freezers.

Food-grade vegetable glycerin is 99.7% pure, with the remaining 0.3% being water. It has a sweet taste, but is metabolized differently than sugar and does not raise blood sugar levels. Glycerin is used in foods marketed as being low in carbohydrates to keep them sweet and moist. It also does not contribute to bacterial tooth decay.

Vegetable glycerin is also used as a substitute for alcohol, in making botanical extracts. The advantage of this is that people who do not want to be exposed to alcohol can still have access to the botanical products. The disadvantage is that the resulting products have a much shorter shelf life."


so both substance is almost the same in nature. and the word " It has a sweet taste, but is metabolized differently than sugar and does not raise blood sugar levels."

Means good for me?

Anyone has a very good knowledge on those 2 and has a bad opinion about it?

policebox 05-04-2012 21:00

Propylene glycol is an organic compound which has ubiquitous applications in everything from food manufacturing to lubrication of industrial equipment. Oral toxicity for both acute and long-term exposure is very low. In humans, PG is metabolized into lactic, pyruvic (a ketone), and acetic (vinegar) acids, all three of which are already naturally found in the human body. The only complication I could see from this would be if you take metformin. Although rare, metformin has been known to potentiate lactic acidosis, a potentially life-threatening condition caused by a build-up of lactic acid. However, it’s doubtful that the amount of lactic acid the PG in your pseudo-cigarette would cause you to metabolize would be sufficient to induce lactic acidosis. The bottom line: propylene glycol is generally recognized as safe and should have a neutral effect on blood sugar concentration.

Vegetable glycerin, more commonly referred to as glycerol, is a polyol alcohol compound. Glycerol is a common food additive which works as a preservative, a sweetener, and thickening agent. Humans metabolize glycerol into a form of triglycerides, phospholipids, and possibly glucose. Since glycerol is an alcohol, it does metabolize like a carbohydrate, although it has a lower glycemic index than sucrose. Thus, it is likely to cause a small increase in your blood sugar, though the amount contained in your pseudo-cigarette is unlikely to make that increase significant (or perhaps even detectible). The bottom line: vegetable glycerin is generally recognized as safe and might produce a modest temporary elevation of blood sugar.

The bottom-bottom line: whatever risks might be involved with the intake of propylene glycol and vegetable glycerin are clearly much smaller than the known risks of cigarette smoking. I applaud you in your decision and action to discontinue smoking. Nicotine is perhaps the most addictive drug to exist, so I highly respect your efforts.

dezmay 05-04-2012 21:36

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Originally Posted by policebox (Post 96413)
Propylene glycol is an organic compound which has ubiquitous applications in everything from food manufacturing to lubrication of industrial equipment. Oral toxicity for both acute and long-term exposure is very low. In humans, PG is metabolized into lactic, pyruvic (a ketone), and acetic (vinegar) acids, all three of which are already naturally found in the human body. The only complication I could see from this would be if you take metformin. Although rare, metformin has been known to potentiate lactic acidosis, a potentially life-threatening condition caused by a build-up of lactic acid. However, itís doubtful that the amount of lactic acid the PG in your pseudo-cigarette would cause you to metabolize would be sufficient to induce lactic acidosis. The bottom line: propylene glycol is generally recognized as safe and should have a neutral effect on blood sugar concentration.

Vegetable glycerin, more commonly referred to as glycerol, is a polyol alcohol compound. Glycerol is a common food additive which works as a preservative, a sweetener, and thickening agent. Humans metabolize glycerol into a form of triglycerides, phospholipids, and possibly glucose. Since glycerol is an alcohol, it does metabolize like a carbohydrate, although it has a lower glycemic index than sucrose. Thus, it is likely to cause a small increase in your blood sugar, though the amount contained in your pseudo-cigarette is unlikely to make that increase significant (or perhaps even detectible). The bottom line: vegetable glycerin is generally recognized as safe and might produce a modest temporary elevation of blood sugar.

The bottom-bottom line: whatever risks might be involved with the intake of propylene glycol and vegetable glycerin are clearly much smaller than the known risks of cigarette smoking. I applaud you in your decision and action to discontinue smoking. Nicotine is perhaps the most addictive drug to exist, so I highly respect your efforts.

This means that i am on the right track. Thank you!!! :D

Wink 05-05-2012 07:06

I vape... so does my husband. We both smoked for over 30 years and quit almost immediately when we switched to e-cigarettes - that will be three years ago in July. We have not even tried to quit vaping because we enjoy it and believe that any health risk would be minimal.
We originally used mostly PG as a base and it had no effect on my blood sugar at all. About 6 months ago we switched to mostly VG based as it is smoother on the throat and I enjoy the slight sweetness - it also has no effect on my blood sugar.
The best information about vaping can be found at www.e-cigarette-forum.com. This is an international information exchange forum that does not sell anything. They do have links and information from vendors in separate areas.
E-cigarettes have been wonderful for us - there is some frustration in the beginning as you learn so much so quickly but for us it was well worth it.

Insulation Tim 05-05-2012 16:37

I had no idea what "vaping" was until reading this thread. I researched the internet, and think that any blood sugar rise, if any, would be negligible.

dezmay 05-08-2012 21:16

as i go forum to forum. i met more people with D who actually prefer vaping. good enough for me to know this is better than the actual one. nice.

dezmay 05-19-2012 22:04

again i stumbled on e-juices with this two on it.

Ethyl maltol and Liquid Sucralose

is it bad?


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