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rsfletcher 12-05-2018 15:31

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Originally Posted by VeeJay (Post 1313197)
Don't know about the urine stick. That is so dated a way of testing for high blood sugar. It is what my T1 sister used back in the 60s before there were glucose meters. It was better than nothing.

BTW - she died of liver failure when she was 22 yrs old because of out-of-control diabetes.

Pricking the finger and seeing within seconds to get a measure of your BG Level is definitely the way to go to get an immediate idea of what's going on.

Gosh, I can remember as a kid in the 1960s peeing on urine sticks or dropping mad scientist tablets in a test tube of urine where it bubbled and generate a great deal of heat and eventually turn a specific color which indicated whether your kidneys were spilling sugar in to your urine. (I was a big hit among my non diabetic friends)

For me personally - managing diabetes in the 1960s and 1970s was a hell of a lot easier.

It's also interesting to note that the harshness of ones diabetes may be determined more by the combination of genetic mutations one has than control - but this is still a hypotheses that has yet to be proven although it's starting to gain ground in medical communities.

Based on my own experience and those of other people I know with diabetes who exercise way better control than I but are suffering complications - I think there is some merit to this theory.

Ratter51 12-05-2018 22:40

I’m not seeing diabetes complications at all. But just for general health I should eat better.....and less. But now the holidays are coming soon. You know what that means. And yes, I saw Dr Phil and there is a stigma on people who have diabetes.
Here’s what doesn’t make sense, if I had eaten better they tell my I could have avoided diabetes at the time but yet they now tell me now that I have it, it’s not my fault! Seems like contradictories to me. I went to a diabetic meal thing held by the Red Cross with nutritionists from Shop Rite Supermarkets. At least they used the Red Cross building. They implied everyone would get a free dinner. Turns out it was a sample cup of what they cooked. A lot of people were mad. But the sample food wasn’t that good. It’s tough and a real pain in the ass learning to cook those diabetic type meals. Cudo’s to those who can do it. But in 5 years, I wonder how many stuck to it.

Ratter51 12-05-2018 22:51

I flip flop on this issue a lot. Sometimes feel one way another time a different way. They say over 10 million or more people walk around with diabetes and don’t know they have it in the USA. That in itself seems suspicious. My guess is the Diabetes threshold hold number is set too low for that many people to have it. Seems to me the A1C is the number to go by vs daily finger pricks to see what you can or cannot eat. The A1C is the most important number to go by, not finger pricks. I might get rid of my stigma related meter.

hftmrock 12-05-2018 22:59

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Originally Posted by Ratter51 (Post 1313223)
Iím not seeing diabetes complications at all. But just for general health I should eat better.....and less. But now the holidays are coming soon. You know what that means. And yes, I saw Dr Phil and there is a stigma on people who have diabetes.
Hereís what doesnít make sense, if I had eaten better they tell my I could have avoided diabetes at the time but yet they now tell me now that I have it, itís not my fault! Seems like contradictories to me. I went to a diabetic meal thing held by the Red Cross with nutritionists from Shop Rite Supermarkets. At least they used the Red Cross building. They implied everyone would get a free dinner. Turns out it was a sample cup of what they cooked. A lot of people were mad. But the sample food wasnít that good. Itís tough and a real pain in the ass learning to cook those diabetic type meals. Cudoís to those who can do it. But in 5 years, I wonder how many stuck to it.

you have mentioned about food and how you wont be able to do it and how bad it is...

I dont make anything specifically diabetic. I eat any meat I want (pork, chicken, beef, seafood) and I cook it any way I want (generally speaking). I eat eggs any way I want. I put cheese on lots of things, I eat bacon. I eat vegetables (I like veggies so thats a plus). Give me a nice blackened steak with a side of bacon and broccoli with cheese and I am happy. Does that sound bad?

it does take some willpower to get your body used to not eating carbs but after a while you eat delicious food and almost as much as you want. eat when you're hungry. Fat fills you us so you dont get hungry too much. Carbs is what gives you the roller coaster hunger pains.

I do understand the struggle Ratter51 and I know this is monumentally difficult for you but I see that woman you saw as someone who just refused to eat better too.

hftmrock 12-05-2018 23:05

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Originally Posted by Ratter51 (Post 1313225)
I flip flop on this issue a lot. Sometimes feel one way another time a different way. They say over 10 million or more people walk around with diabetes and donít know they have it in the USA. That in itself seems suspicious. My guess is the Diabetes threshold hold number is set too low for that many people to have it. Seems to me the A1C is the number to go by vs daily finger pricks to see what you can or cannot eat. The A1C is the most important number to go by, not finger pricks. I might get rid of my stigma related meter.

A1C is the best way to measure diabetes but you cant do that every day so measuring yourself is the next best thing. not sure how it is stigma related if no one knows your using it. I have never used it outside my house.

the reason why so many people have diabetes is because the government made a mistake in the 70's. They determined that fat was the thing that was bad for us and told people to reduce fat. By doing that, people substituted carbs for fat. they ate 'low fat' (defined as high carb). if you reduce fat you have to replace it. Most people try to eat right or eat 'low fat'... but they are eating high carbs because if it and we have been put in this situation. It will be difficult to fix because of the money trail. Pharm companies are very happy that you are getting sicker.

just try to do as much research as you can and ask any questions here that you want. then make the best choice for yourself knowing what you are doing. if you decide its too hard, at least you go into it knowing what your future will probably hold. Its really up to you.

itissteve 12-05-2018 23:05

You don't have to cook if you don't want to. I mean, throwing a burger or a fish filet into a frying pan and pouring some frozen vegetables out of a bag into a microwave dish and pressing "3:00" isn't a lot of cooking. There even are many frozen dinners out there which aren't bad on the protein and carbohydrate levels if you don't eat all of the side dishes on the tray and you simply avoid the ones which are mostly carbs to start with (the pasta dinners, the breaded entrees, the ones in sweet sauces).

As for who can do all this, I think you have to have the proper motivation. For me it's seeing what unchecked diabetes has done in members of my family and in friends: blindness, amputated limbs, neuropathy, heart problems. And it's my interest in making sure I collect on all that money I saved for my retirement. :wink2:

That's what makes it easier for me to pass on the pie and ice cream and the dishes full of potatoes and pasta. Maybe if it's the most amazing pumpkin pie ever I'll take a bite or two; I've tasted it and I'm fine. But the ordinary stuff? If I know eating a piece of pie is going to hurt me, why would I do that?

But everyone finds their own motivation. Or they don't and they suffer the consequences, like my friends and members of my family do.

Ratter51 12-05-2018 23:36

Thanks everyone. I’ll see the next A1C if the dr does it in January. Right now I am not committed to change. I do have concearn or I would not be taking the once a day Metformin but not enough concern to change my diet quite yet. It’s too early as no signs of Diabetes what’s so ever. Just the blood results. But I like to stop by and express my feelings now and then, thanks

mbuster 12-06-2018 11:07

Many people are misdiagnosed as Type 2 when in reality they are Type 1.5 (Type 1 that comes later in life) Early on symptoms are the same. They have problems with producing enough insulin at times initially, but eventually (and it may take a few years) they stop making enough. The period of time that they do continue to produce insulin is referred to as the honeymoon phase. Unless they are tested for insulin production and a few different autoimmune antibodies, it is usually diagnosed as Type 2.

Type 2 does not progress to type 1, however there is nothing to say that a person with Type 2 cannot have an autoimmune attack that makes them a Type 1.

You can poke your finger a hundred times a day, but if you do not use that information to get control of your BG, it is no more useful than poking much fewer times a day and not doing anything.

Ratter51 12-07-2018 16:09

No stigma about being Diabetic...... yes there is for sure. My brothers wife invited us Xmas dinner and she said what foods shall she make for “me”. Nice of her but there is stigma right there. I told her I will eat what everyone else is eating don’t make anything special at all, I won’t eat it if you do. Then I said I hope you going to have desert and again she said what deserts am I “allowed” to have. Stigma number 2. I said regular cake or pies are good. She said but I thought you were diabetic? Stigma number 3. How would it look....everyone else is eating normal food and you have different food on your plate??? Stigma number 4. I told her I appreciate it but if she gives me anything different from what the others have I’ll walk out and go to a restaurant...and I meant it.
I would NEVER want to put anyone out by making Diabetes friendly food “just” for me. I’m kinda pissed.

alamogirl 12-07-2018 16:35

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Originally Posted by Ratter51 (Post 1313303)
No stigma about being Diabetic...... yes there is for sure. My brothers wife invited us Xmas dinner and she said what foods shall she make for ďmeĒ. Nice of her but there is stigma right there. I told her I will eat what everyone else is eating donít make anything special at all, I wonít eat it if you do. Then I said I hope you going to have desert and again she said what deserts am I ďallowedĒ to have. Stigma number 2. I said regular cake or pies are good. She said but I thought you were diabetic? Stigma number 3. How would it look....everyone else is eating normal food and you have different food on your plate??? Stigma number 4. I told her I appreciate it but if she gives me anything different from what the others have Iíll walk out and go to a restaurant...and I meant it.
I would NEVER want to put anyone out by making Diabetes friendly food ďjustĒ for me. Iím kinda pissed.

I can't believe I'm agreeing with you :vs_laugh::vs_laugh:. I'm carbing on both Christmas Eve and Day. I'm not going to go nuts, but I'm going to eat SA's traditional tamales, rice, and beans on Christmas Eve :smile2:.


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