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Old 01-26-2019, 21:30   #241
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Ratter51 would not be the first to do that <raises hand>. I was diagnosed with my own "touch of diabetes" several years before I took serious action to manage it. And I know I'm not the only one posting on this site who waited to act -- sometimes for years.

My numbers were never as high as Ratter51's but my doctor never handed me a prescription for (or even mentioned taking) Metformin. My annual eye exam never showed evidence of diabetes; in fact, I didn't even mention to the eye doctor that I had it, that's how much I was in denial. I knew I wasn't as bad off as my long-time insulin-dependent (and, by then, passed on) father. I knew my sister was T2 but never tied her management of the condition to the consecutive medical events she endured. I wasn't losing a leg like my buddy, who barely controlled what he ate or the exercise he got. So what was there to worry about? Lots of people with diabetes were far worse off than I was.

It took a long time and good reasons (for me, remarriage and grand kids) before I decided I could have another couple of decades to live and that I didn't want to live those years with my father's retinopathy (and eventual blindness) or my sister's neuropathy (which begat not moving which begat worse diabetic control) or the constant infections my buddy suffered where his prosthetic leg attached to what was left of his knee. That's when I got serious.

Has it been easy? No. I used to be "Mr. Restaurant", visiting all the new places before they were reviewed. I loved to cook at home and was always trying new ingredients. Moving to LCHF was easier in a physical sense than it was emotionally; many long-time interests went away and I had to differentiate myself now, writing on the medical form that I had diabetes and passing on social invitations to pasta joints. To be honest, it's taken me some time to deal with some of that.

But when I realize that I am intact and my A1c is in non-diabetic ranges and I don't have the fuzzy vision of high blood sugar or the weird little pains of neuropathy and that my cholesterol is better than many of my non-diabetic peers, and that I can move much better than my neighbor lady, who is just as old as I am but in nowhere near my condition, the effort is worth it.

I won't deny that there are days it feels like a tossup. People have only so much energy each day and sometimes I want to put my T2 second. Or third. But I don't because I know the price of that prioritization. I don't live "the D Life" but I do keep my health in mind because this illness really can hurt me if I don't.

I don't want to see anyone suffer, either. The symptoms of poorly-managed diabetes are well-known and fairly prevalent. So it's hard to see people get hung up on semantic distinctions or to act like nothing has changed in their lives. I certainly can empathize that sometimes people need time to get used to this big new thing in their lives. None of us knows what other battles the rest of us are facing.

But there is a timeline. I don't think any of us can point to the piece of pie or the sack of french fries that finally put us in T2 territory. There always seems to be time to back away from the edge of the cliff. But someday there won't be and I'd hate to see anyone try to do heroic somersaults backward at that time when they could have just stepped back a little some time earlier.

Sometimes it just takes a while. But it cannot take forever without paying a prety high price.
Nicely summarized!! I think VeeJay hit on another point, which is that some people see diabetes with a stigma attached to it. I had a friend at work once who was a T2, and her doctor wanted her to try insulin. Well, she cried and said, "I don't want to be like those people." I'm assuming she meant those diabetics who have to inject themselves.

I've never seen it as something to be ashamed of. I'm not in the least embarrassed to shoot up in restaurants right at the table. I used to excuse myself and go to the restroom, but what the heck. What do I care if someone sees me injecting?

It's easy to be cavalier about diabetes until (as you mention) your vision goes blurry, your fingers and toes start feeling like someone is pushing needles into them, your feet feel numb, and your arms and legs start twitching. That certainly got MY attention. Big Time. And they come on with no warning.

I guess Ratter will have to see for himself.

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I do t know what to think.
At one time Diabetes was the A1C 8 was considered D. Then my friend says they lowered the A1C down to 7.5 then he said every time they lower the numbers, millions of dollars are made by the medical community. Then they lowered the A1C to 7 and millions more made and now its 6.5 and up for a diagnoses of D. He also said the Dr.’s love to have people with D. Because it’s more money in their pocket. I don’t know if he is paranoid or not.
Also my Dr. says the D. Is Very well controlled. So if it’s very well controlled
And I only take Metformin why worry st this time????? By the way I only skipped one day I took the Metformin again just now. It’s VERY WELL CONTROLLED so why not eat what I want???? I have no idea why I’m embarrassed and I have no idea why I’m in denial. Number 3 the good diabetics eat is horrible. I don’t like oatmeal And lemon flavored water gets old in two days. I don’t want to read labels all day counting carbs. Everything has a lot of carbs. I like egg sandwiches and I like bacon. I eat it every day and it tastes good. It really does. Town breads are ok but after awhile it gets old. White bread has more flavor. But if my D is very well controlled, so what? Right? If the A1C goes past 7 then I will act. I hate the glucose meter finger pricks. The results are always around 150 but dropped once to what I said last time two points over normal.
I dont know what to think. But keep in mind the pcp Dr said it’s very well controlled. So what am I doing wrong???? Thanks

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Ratter51, there are people posting on this site who would agree with your friend that medical care for people with diabetes often looks more like a money train than a serious effort to eliminate its complications (or even eliminate Type 2 altogether).

But, in this case, moving the goalposts makes sense. As diabetes is studied more, we're learning that what we thought we knew from before is not quite correct. New studies conducted by people who know what they're doing show that glucose damages our bodies at levels much lower than we thought. Yes, lowering the A1c level for diagnosis "catches" a bunch of people who were never considered diabetic before. But if those old BG levels are hurting people, it's good to catch them.

All due respect to your relationship with your doctor, but I believe he is doing you a disservice by referring to your diabetes as "mild" or "very well controlled", especially now that you're on medication. People without diabetes do not have blood glucose readings of 150 several hours after eating and the fact that your readings (well, the few you take) are not even close to "normal" after that many hours, even with medication, doesn't make things look "very well controlled".

Then again, maybe it's easy for your doctor to minimize or be casual about managing your diabetes. He's not the one with diabetes -- you are. He's not going to suffer from the complications -- you are. I'm not sure what to think there, myself.

All of us posting here have, at some point, been where you are, as a person newly diagnosed with diabetes. It's not an easy road to travel and I applaud the progress that you've made.

But time's a-wasting, as they say. Each week that goes by with damaging BG levels will lead you to more medications or even to needing insulin injections (I know you don't want that). Each week that goes by leads you to medical complications which will make giving up pie seem a pretty cheap price to pay -- except that, by then, it will be too late for that to make a difference. The damage will have been done.

The reason I and so many others here put in time here and respond to posts is that we know diabetes doesn't have to end the way it does for so many people. You still have a chance to make your own life so much easier in the long run. We can provide the support (for example, you can manage your diabetes very well eating eggs and bacon and you never need to touch another bowl of oatmeal or whole-wheat bread). But you have to want to manage your diabetes and change some things now to have the benefits later. Unless you just don't want to, for your own reasons. But that's a whole different post.

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I don’t know what to do now. To me the dinners I see on line for people with D. Seems I would be hungry an hour later. It’s always non meat stuff. Meat is what gives a person strength. Chicken I like a lot but from PopEyes or fried not the baked chicken. Turkey is ok but how many days can you have it? My doctor cancelled twice now next visit Feb 12 unless he cancels again. I did a meter test this am and it was 156 this time. First time I ever did the fasting test two days in a row. I did finish off the carrot cake last night just as well I’m sick of it anyway. As for a specialist my doctor said he will let me know when I should see one. He said I’m not ready for a specialist right now.

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I donít know what to do now. To me the dinners I see on line for people with D. Seems I would be hungry an hour later. Itís always non meat stuff. Meat is what gives a person strength. Chicken I like a lot but from PopEyes or fried not the baked chicken. Turkey is ok but how many days can you have it? My doctor cancelled twice now next visit Feb 12 unless he cancels again. I did a meter test this am and it was 156 this time. First time I ever did the fasting test two days in a row. I did finish off the carrot cake last night just as well Iím sick of it anyway. As for a specialist my doctor said he will let me know when I should see one. He said Iím not ready for a specialist right now.
you're not looking in the right places.

steak, beef, chicken, pork, seafood, fish are all perfect

Breading on fried foods are not ok so that is true

bacon, cheese, eggs, ribs, chicken wings are all good.

Protein is not the issue... fat is not the issue... carbs is

I would love to see a link for diabetes where it says non mean stuff only

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https://www.dietdoctor.com/low-carb lists foods for LCHF

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Here are some recipes areas to look at

https://www.eatwell101.com/keto-dinner-recipes

https://blog.bulletproof.com/easy-we...ecipes-2b2g3c/

https://www.dietdoctor.com/low-carb/...kfasts/popular

https://blog.bulletproof.com/keto-lunch-recipes-2b3c4b/

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hftmrock posts way faster than I do!

You've probably been exposed to what I call the "standard American diabetic diet" -- plenty of carbs, lots of vegetables, very little fat. Most of us here are controlling our blood glucose by eating differently, with foods that are very low in carbs, moderate amounts of meat and vegetables, and fat -- butter, olive oil, cream, coconut oil, mayonnaise, sour cream, nuts. Does that sound more appealing?

Here's a link to a site that goes into more detail on what you can eat.

Note that eggs and bacon are on the OK list. So is butter. Meat -- pretty much any meat -- is fine, even if it has a fair amount of fat in it (like hamburger or chicken wings). You don't go overboard with vegetables and you can put oils or butter or nuts or cheese on what you eat if you want.

Though it seems counterintuitive, most of the calories on this eating plan come from fat. I've been eating this way for almost two years now and I'm not hungry all the time and I don't feel like a rabbit at a feeder. You eat enough fat and protein to keep you feeling full and satisfied. And you can see my results in my .sig.

Full disclosure (a bit oversimplified): Root vegetables, most fruits, all grains (including corn), some adult beverages, and sugar/honey/syrup, etc. are off the list. There are alternatives for those or you just decide that a taste of those things is the price you're willing to pay for better health.

You don't have to go as far as a ketogenic diet unless you want to. You still can take a bite or two of pie or ice cream -- but you won't be eating an entire piece (or two). Your body will learn quickly to deal without a daily flood of carbs. You'll probably find that eating a lot of carbs at one time can make you feel pretty lousy and that, since you're not eating sweet food all the time, a little bit of something sweet will go a long way.

Is this a way to eat that you might be interested in looking at?

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Hi, I might be. Tonight I had a tomato salad and Walmart Tony’s pizza then a lemon danish. I know it’s all bad. Is there diabetic TV dinners available??? The supermarket stopped selling Healthy Choice, I use to like those.

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Is there diabetic TV dinners available???
I've found that some of the dinners from Marie Callendar's and Stouffer's can be lower-carb if you stay away from the pasta and noodle entrees and take no more than a bite or two of the starchy side dish.

For instance, Marie Callendar's Salisbury Steak dinner has 33 net grams of carbs; eat the steak and the cheesy broccoli but skip most of the roasted potatoes and you're probably down to about 20-22 grams of carbs. The Pork Chop and Gravy dinner has 38 net carbs; eat the breaded chop and the potato and pass on the glazed apples and you're likely down to around 25 grams of carbs. I would think there are other choices which are okay; I didn't check them all.

25-35 grams of carbs is what I eat in a day. But cutting back to 25-35 per meal is progress. Something to consider.

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Hi Cassie2922, my suggestion is watch the Dr. Jason Fung, Dr. Paul Mason, and Megan Ramos videos in Youtube on how to reverse your T2 diabetes. You could also read Dr. Fung's books ---"The Diabetes Code" and "The Complete Guide to Fasting". Their methods of intervention counters the standard "increase medication with Metformin and Insulin approach". Hundreds have already cured their diabetes and have completely got rid of all their medications. This is not a wild claim, these are documented and published case studies. I have just followed their fasting routines for a month and lost 40 lbs already and have not been taking medications during fasting. My blood sugar has already dropped from 145 mg/dl (average) to 85 to 95 mg/dl. Just my two cents worth.

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