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Old 01-06-2019, 17:20   #11
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Xring, I do not consume any fruits, potatoes, starchy vegetables and I'm thriving. I will say again, sugar is not an essential nutrient.

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Will I be able to completely get off 40 unit insulin, 5mg Glip ?
There is a lot to unpack with your statements but let me zero in on this one

so you were diagnosed with diabetes... they gave you some medication... it might have worked for a while but you probably had to keep increasing medication and then ultimately get on Glip and finally had to get on insulin. Insulin is never the first thing doctors give so there is probably a progression here

Diabetes is progressive. If you do no do anything with your diet with carbs and sugar, you will get worse and worse.

the ONLY reason your BG is stable is due to all the medication and insulin that is in you. eventually they will fail too and you will need more and more


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I also believe sugar is not the cause of diabetes, but rather something that is not metabolized properly in a diabetic, which leads some people to the conclusion that it was the cause. Many people consume excess sugar & never become diabetic.
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type 2 diabetes is caused by not being able to process glucose properly . Over-consumption of carbs will make this progressive. everyone is different and everyone eats differently but carbs and sugar makes it progressive

more than 50% of the US population are diabetic or prediabetic so its happening to just about everyone who eats badly with carbs abd sugar

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When I got on the low carb high fat eating model, not a diet because I eat all I want just changed what I eat, I lost over 70 lbs. At the same time I started experiencing low blood pressure, which my doctor fixed by reducing the dosage of blood pressure medication. I also started experiencing low blood sugars which my doctor fixed by reducing my nightly injection of Lantus insulin.


So for me, the answer was yes! I did reduce my medications. Since then I have completely stopped my 'water pill' and no longer needed any statin drugs. So since I took control of my carb intake, of course offsetting this change with increases in fat intake, I have reduced and/or stopped taking some of my medications....and probably avoided increasing my meds, including being forced to take any fast acting insulins!


As already mentioned we all are different and we react differently. But, if you do not control your carb intake you will be forced to take more meds to offset your lack of control of carbs. This is not speculation, this is a known fact!

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Infinite.....welcome to the forum...you commented above

"Now, my A1c in normal range past few years, I can consume a can of soda or two, wihout any sugar spikes. Eat carbs no problem, like I eat large supreme pizza every NFL Sunday, no problems."

I am curious how you determined that you have "no problems" when you eat high carb foods and drinks? Most of us on here have a specific way to validate what a particular food does to our blood sugar levels. We test or blood sugar with our meters, at 1 hour and 2 hours following our first bite (sometimes we even check at 3 hours as some high carb foods are absorbed slowly)! If we find that our blood sugar goes over 140 at anytime, it is dangerous for us to eat or drink that product! We generally accept the fact that "anytime" your blood sugar goes over 140 that the sugar in your system begins to damage cells in the body. In time these spikes are the cause all the bad complications that come with diabetes (e.g., blindness, nerve damage, heart attacks, etc. etc.)

We are all different and some can handle more carbs than others. Even in those that can tolerate higher carbs, this to can change over time, so having a testing protocol is important to monitor your blood sugars. What we do know is that diabetic complications is a progressive process in that it occurs over time. You can go a long while thinking your are doing ok, then one day you find that you now have a problem. That's what we all try to avoid, but testing potentially higher carb foods periodically, to see what they are doing to our blood sugar.

As already mentioned above most everything you eat has some carbs in it. There is no science that I know if stating that the human body must have carbs, especially if you are eating foods to supplement your drop in carbs. Most of us add fats to our diet, to offset the loss of carbs. This actually works extremely well.

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Well, I've done massive before/after meals testing past 3 years. My primary states not necessary, just test fasting. All you share may be true, but according to my primary and diabetic doc, whatever I was doing was working, dropped A1c from 10 to 5.8,. Reason I get so confused, cause when I try to eat tiny meals, my BG increase higher then if I ate carbs or drank soda.

I believe a lot of it has to do with lifestyle as well, not just diet, I'm a very physically active outgoing person. I am physically fit, not overweight. When I was overweight carbs/sugar was poison, now my weight is in the normal range, I can consume carbs and drink soda, without spiking my BG. After carb/soda consumption, I work out my body, not just sit around on couch watch tv

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When your doctor says all diabetics require a certain amount of sugar, he probably wasn't referring to regular table sugar which is processed sugar - the type of sugar found in processed foods - cookies, candy, pastries, etc. He was likely referring to naturally-occurring sugar found in fruit, starchy vegetables & potatoes. It's difficult to actually be deficient in sugar, since it is found in almost everything.

I also believe sugar is not the cause of diabetes, but rather something that is not metabolized properly in a diabetic, which leads some people to the conclusion that it was the cause. Many people consume excess sugar & never become diabetic.
Thanks you may be correct, I didn't ask for detailed explaination with physician.

My sister ingest more sugar then anyone in the family, she's not diabetic. I believe you may be on to something, diabetes has something to do with metabolism. Reason I asked question about thyroid and diabetes.

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There is a lot to unpack with your statements but let me zero in on this one

so you were diagnosed with diabetes... they gave you some medication... it might have worked for a while but you probably had to keep increasing medication and then ultimately get on Glip and finally had to get on insulin. Insulin is never the first thing doctors give so there is probably a progression here

Diabetes is progressive. If you do no do anything with your diet with carbs and sugar, you will get worse and worse.

the ONLY reason your BG is stable is due to all the medication and insulin that is in you. eventually they will fail too and you will need more and more




type 2 diabetes is caused by not being able to process glucose properly . Over-consumption of carbs will make this progressive. everyone is different and everyone eats differently but carbs and sugar makes it progressive

more than 50% of the US population are diabetic or prediabetic so its happening to just about everyone who eats badly with carbs abd sugar
Your statements may be true. Understand what you share. But, reason I was put on 40 units insulin is because my body had a reaction to Metformin and Glyburide, I can probably just take Glip now and be fine. Also, my dose has not changed in 3 to 4 years, stayed exactly the same, but my A1c did a nosedive with diet/exercise.

Which has me wondering if thyroid disease had caused and contributed to diabetes. I am a mystery diagnoses. All my labs, cholesterol, triglycerides, etc... perfectly normal. I am able to ingest carbs/sugars now in moderation without BG spikes, but was unable to 4-5 years ago.

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I certainly hope no one is believing, I'm running out devouring a ton of carbs/sugar, Rofl !!!! Just stating I am able to now in moderation, opposed to when my A1c was high and I was overweight. When my A1c was 10, I was overweight a hot fudge sundae, would spike my BG into 300 range !!!! Now, I eat a hot fudge sundae, my BG stays in check.

I remember those day's of being high, I would feel super sleepy, sometimes to the point of passing out for an hour, almost daily, nearly had to starve myself, excercise 7 days a week to get BG under control, but now I can eat a hot fudge sundae, not affecting my energy level at all. Crazy thing is, I hit lows a lot now. Reason I asked about getting off the meds. My belief is weight loss, was the key. Certainly will consult with doctor. Reason I believe it's not all diet, but lifestyle, activity level, etc... are factors as well.

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Yes, but diabetes is not cureable, so it's puzzling why your blood sugars would no longer spike with eating something full of sugar.

Even though I've lost 86 lbs and have "reversed" my diabetes to the point of being in a non-diabetic range off meds, if I ate something full of sugar, my levels would spike. Lifestyle, activity level etc can't make you not diabetic and sensitive to carbs anymore. Heck, even if I eat something that has hidden sugars in it, my blood glucose will spike.

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Yes, but diabetes is not cureable, so it's puzzling why your blood sugars would no longer spike with eating something full of sugar.

Even though I've lost 86 lbs and have "reversed" my diabetes to the point of being in a non-diabetic range off meds, if I ate something full of sugar, my levels would spike. Lifestyle, activity level etc can't make you not diabetic and sensitive to carbs anymore. Heck, even if I eat something that has hidden sugars in it, my blood glucose will spike.
I have no idea. Trust me, I ask myself quite often, what has changed ? I believe thyroid disease and diabetes, go hand in hand. I read an article, stating a hyperthyroid person, uses insulin at a much more faster rate, which causes increased BG levels, and hypothyroid being opposite.

Most develop thyroid disease caused by diabetes, I on the hand had thyroid removed, developing diabetes afterwards. No magical answer how the body works.

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Wow, you're a mystery. Question. If you don't test anymore, how do you know your sugar is not spiking after a carby food or sugary drink?

My friend developed diabetes after being on a pain killer for a skin disease. She has tapered off her meds, and voila...no more diabetes.

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