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Infinite 01-06-2019 06:00

Possible to avoid sugar ?
 
To me, this is a very controversial topic. In the past, I asked about sugar consumption. My diabetic physician states all type Ii diabetics require a certain amount of sugar in system to function properly, no different then body requires salt. Which appeared very misleading, but then I come across articles, stating sugar is not the cause of diabetes, some even experts :surprise:

Now, I'm wondering if there is sugar correlation between normal A1c and high A1c. Hope I'm making sense. When my A1c was high, a can of soda would spike my BG to dangerous levels.

Now, my A1c in normal range past few years, I can consume a can of soda or two, wihout any sugar spikes. Eat carbs no problem, like I eat large supreme pizza every NFL Sunday, no problems.

My primary, states I've revert to prediabetic *huh*

What I have discovered is, my bg levels stay consistent, unless I physically work out any type activity, threadmill, mowing lawn, playing drums, etc.... then low BG.

Appears consistency is the key to control.

When my BG was highest, I was 300-310 lbs, now I'm consistent at 240 lbs, past years.

Diabetes is so confusing, Rofl !!!!! Any thoughts appreciated.

Infinite 01-06-2019 06:32

Goodness, i wasn't able to edit. The question I have is, if I completely elminate sugar/carbs, like go Vegan. Will I be able to completely get off 40 unit insulin, 5mg Glip ? Not gonna lie, I eat very healthy, but at same time, drink soda, eat ice cream, pizza, spaghetti, donuts, etc..... My A1c always in check with diabetes med.

Why am I able to consume this type diet now, any ideas ? Would like to completely get off meds, I get so tired of injecting myself.

itissteve 01-06-2019 12:55

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Originally Posted by Infinite (Post 1314693)
if I completely elminate sugar/carbs, like go Vegan. Will I be able to completely get off 40 unit insulin, 5mg Glip?

There is no practical way I can think of to completely eliminate sugars/carbs. Even foods like meat and lettuce contain (very low amounts of) carbs.

But maybe a ketogenic eating plan is what you want. The American Diabetes Association eating plan most people with diabetes are given calls for around 150 grams of carbs a day. Many people here eating keto (or close to it) are doing fine on about 25-30 grams of carbs a day -- and getting by either without any medications or just using the oral medication Metformin.

What I've learned in a year of eating almost-keto is that, since I'm no longer stressing my pancreas daily with higher amounts of carbs, I can better handle occasional gobs of carbs. Now, "gobs" for me is a few cubic inches of birthday cake or a quarter cup of baked beans or the coating on a piece of fried chicken; not a large pizza, so it's not so many carbs that my body stores it for long (to be released later).

It's possible that your pancreas has been weakened to the point where the insulin and glip are necessary for your carb intake, so reverting to Metformin (or nothing) isn't in the cards. But we're not doctors and we haven't examined you lately. :smile2: Besides the occasional sugared pop and pizza, what does your daily food intake look like?

1r1shayes 01-06-2019 13:16

I'm sorry, but your doctor is ridiculous. Sugar is NOT an essential nutrient. I have been completely sugar free (keto) for 19 months. I just narrowly escaped being put on insulin, but was on 3 other meds. Which I am off completely. A1C is 5.2. With zero meds. I've lost 86 lbs, eliminated my high blood pressure and lowered my cholesterol. I've healed my IBS/ recurrent diverticulitis. Ask by eliminating sugar and carbs. Does that sound like sugar is an essential nutrient to you? If my Dr. Made a statement like that to me I'd run, not walk out the nearest exit to find another doctor.

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itissteve 01-06-2019 13:28

Hello, 1r1shayes; welcome to the forum! It sounds like you have a real success story to tell. Want to mosey over to the Introductions forum and tell us more about yourself? :smile2:

div2live 01-06-2019 15:30

Infinite.....welcome to the forum...you commented above

"Now, my A1c in normal range past few years, I can consume a can of soda or two, wihout any sugar spikes. Eat carbs no problem, like I eat large supreme pizza every NFL Sunday, no problems."

I am curious how you determined that you have "no problems" when you eat high carb foods and drinks? Most of us on here have a specific way to validate what a particular food does to our blood sugar levels. We test or blood sugar with our meters, at 1 hour and 2 hours following our first bite (sometimes we even check at 3 hours as some high carb foods are absorbed slowly)! If we find that our blood sugar goes over 140 at anytime, it is dangerous for us to eat or drink that product! We generally accept the fact that "anytime" your blood sugar goes over 140 that the sugar in your system begins to damage cells in the body. In time these spikes are the cause all the bad complications that come with diabetes (e.g., blindness, nerve damage, heart attacks, etc. etc.)

We are all different and some can handle more carbs than others. Even in those that can tolerate higher carbs, this to can change over time, so having a testing protocol is important to monitor your blood sugars. What we do know is that diabetic complications is a progressive process in that it occurs over time. You can go a long while thinking your are doing ok, then one day you find that you now have a problem. That's what we all try to avoid, but testing potentially higher carb foods periodically, to see what they are doing to our blood sugar.

As already mentioned above most everything you eat has some carbs in it. There is no science that I know if stating that the human body must have carbs, especially if you are eating foods to supplement your drop in carbs. Most of us add fats to our diet, to offset the loss of carbs. This actually works extremely well.

Good Luck

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mbuster 01-06-2019 15:48

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Originally Posted by Infinite (Post 1314693)
Goodness, i wasn't able to edit. The question I have is, if I completely elminate sugar/carbs, like go Vegan. Will I be able to completely get off 40 unit insulin, 5mg Glip ? Not gonna lie, I eat very healthy, but at same time, drink soda, eat ice cream, pizza, spaghetti, donuts, etc..... My A1c always in check with diabetes med.

Why am I able to consume this type diet now, any ideas ? Would like to completely get off meds, I get so tired of injecting myself.

I take only metformin and my last A1c was 5.4. I am confident the only reason that my BG is in control is because I minimized the biggest cause of what causes it to be high - carbs. I don't think you can completely eliminated carbs/sugars, even meat contains sugars, stored in the form of glycogen, in the muscle cells. Vegan and Paleo, both being touted as healthy, are not necessarily diabetic friendly. You really want to get off meds, then start cutting the carby stuff and start cutting the meds and start doing a lot of BG testing. I would say you need to get with your doctor before doing this but if he thinks you have to have sugars in your diet, he would be a poor choice. I think he is confusing sugars in your diet with glucose in your blood. You do have to have some glucose because about 5% of you cells run on glucose only. That glucose does not have to be supplied by eating sugars, the liver will take care of that by converting excess amino acids from proteins in our diet to glycogen and releasing it as glucose.

Why you can eat/drink what you do and it not affect your BG, I cannot explain, Maybe it does and you don't know it. When do test after having them? What kind of insulin are you taking and when do you take it? Maybe you body is so busy trying to keep your BG from being low, that it is constantly putting out glucose to offset the amount of insulin circulating in your body that the incoming sugars signal the liver to take a break. There are so many things that can cause things to happen in the body that there is no clear cut answer to your question.

VeeJay 01-06-2019 16:51

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Originally Posted by Infinite (Post 1314693)
The question I have is, if I completely elminate sugar/carbs, like go Vegan.

I'm not sure how going Vegan would eliminate sugar/carbs. Vegetables, especially legumes which a plant-based diet relies heavily on, all contain varying levels of carbohydrates and sugars.

A diet that comes close to being carb-less would be one that is primarily fats and protein. Fats are not metabolized into glucose. Although protein doesn't contain carbs, some of excess protein can be converted to glycogen and stored in the liver, which can be then converted to glucose.

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Why am I able to consume this type diet now, any ideas ?
Most likely its because of the insulin and Glip. If you eliminated the Glip. you would probably need to stop consuming the sugary and carby foods like sodas and pizza crust.

I don't take any meds and because of this need to eat to my body's ability to metabolize carbs - which means 30 g of carbs per day. Now and then it appears I can "get away with" a carb indulgence, but if I were to repeat that regularly it would definitely show up in consistently higher BG levels.

xring 01-06-2019 17:16

When your doctor says all diabetics require a certain amount of sugar, he probably wasn't referring to regular table sugar which is processed sugar - the type of sugar found in processed foods - cookies, candy, pastries, etc. He was likely referring to naturally-occurring sugar found in fruit, starchy vegetables & potatoes. It's difficult to actually be deficient in sugar, since it is found in almost everything.

I also believe sugar is not the cause of diabetes, but rather something that is not metabolized properly in a diabetic, which leads some people to the conclusion that it was the cause. Many people consume excess sugar & never become diabetic.


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