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Old 09-27-2019, 17:49   #11
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One problem with knowing what your blood sugar actually is, aside from the variance that is in the meters and strips, is that your blood is not the same all over. It is not a homogenous mixture flowing thru your body. It is higher in glucose, lipids, insulin, oxygen, carbon dioxide, etc., downstream of points where these things enter the blood stream and lower downstream of the points where they exit. A 99% accurate measurement (100% too) only tells you what your BG is in that sample, at that point in time.

Whatever works to keep BG below damaging levels is what we ought to eat. As far as diets, from vegan to carnivore, I don't care what it is, I am going to eat what my meter tells me I can eat and keep my BG in the range I've set for me. I don't worry with glycemic numbers, just the resulting BG numbers.

Totally agree on most meds being controlled dosages of poison and that there are times they may be needed and beneficial.

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Old 09-27-2019, 19:17   #12
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Whatever works to keep BG below damaging levels is what we ought to eat. As far as diets, from vegan to carnivore, I don't care what it is, I am going to eat what my meter tells me I can eat and keep my BG in the range I've set for me. I don't worry with glycemic numbers, just the resulting BG numbers.
Excellent points mbuster. One of the traps that many people with diabetes occasionally get themselves in to is something I call "chasing your BG levels".

This is where the emphasis is placed not on the food you're eating but taking several shots to lower BG levels when they get high. As a result if you were to chart it - you would have an up and down line chart with next to no level lines - no BG stabilization.

It's my thought that BG stabilization is key to good health - and ones carb/calorie intake plays a very big part of that.

Unfortunately I occasionally end up "chasing my bg levels" when I screw up, fighting a cold or under an abnormal amount of stress. The trick is to try "chasing you BGs" less and impacting it through your eating habits but I've yet to meet anyone who can achieve this 100 percent of the time.

It's definitely a challenge.

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So, how is this way of eating working for you?

I'm wondering how often you are testing since what you've mentioned is only once in the morning.
There is no mystery as to what causes T2 Diabetes. It is the prolonged exposure to high glycemic carbohydrates not found in nature. And it is is coincident to the USDA's up for sale to the highest bidder that put grains at the bottom of their food pyramid. That is why something that was very unusual now strikes one out of eleven of us.

T2 is an injury caused from being poisoned by our diet. I hardy ate any sugar to speak off, but I did eat "Healthy Carbs". I though I was doing the right thing and did not realize until it was too late than this was fraud and that there is no such thing as Healthy Carbs and that grains, whole or otherwise, are worse than eating a bowl of straight table sugar.

I typically only test once in the morning. Yesterday was 113 and 112 mg/dL on the two meters (I ate too much before going to bed and did no upper body exercises). Today was 88 and 87 (I gardened and ate on time). I will test during the day if I am curious or if I am fasting for some reason.

I have the "dawn effect", so my blood sugar tends to be higher in the morning. I have also noticed that if I take my blood sugar right before bed, that I get the exact same reading when I wake. Two hours after breakfast, the blood sugar is typically lower than when I wake.

Oh on the Primal lifestyle, don't do the "Occasionally run real fast", your liver will kick in glycogen and your blood glucose will be worst than a carb loaded meal. Yikes. I found that out the hard way. Don't do any exercise that makes your body think it is running for your life.

And right now, although this is not something you asked, you only asked about eating, my blood glucose now has a lot more to do with what is going on in my life. I NEVER cheat on my diet. So, viruses (colds, flue, etc.) and excessive stress will pop me up 20 to 30 points.

And, and keep in mind that I have been diagnosed with slight bleeding behind one of my eyes, which the eye doctor thinks is caused by the T2. I am not so sure personally. I think it may have to do with either stress or nutrition or both. I am under treatment for it with TCM (traditional Chinese medicine) and will be going back for a rechecked in about two months. So ... (After the eye treatment, I will be on TCM for T2 probably for the rest of my life. This is okay, as the side benefits are wonderful. It is actual medicine. And it is cheap.)

My major problem with the diet is that since I have taught myself to cook and have kicked the carbohydrate addition (took about three weeks) and my sense of taste has returned, I love the food so much that I EAT TOO MUCH. Primal food is SO GOOD!!! Meat and plants! I should only eat around 2400 Kcal a day, but until I developed the self discipline to stop eating, I was up around 4000 Kcal. Oops! That is another story.

Range free, grass fed beef, if you can find a decent butcher that knows how to handle it and I have, is so strinkin' yummy ... By the way, it is so nutritionally dense that you only eat about 2/3 as much as stock yard beef, so it actually cost about the same in the end. Speaking with other Primals, they have all noticed the same. A bad butcher and it is like eat a car tire.

I am eating a grass fed beef patty and an organic avocado as I write this. YUM. I will finish with organic tea with some lime juice and stevia. This is a trick I use too keep me from wanting to eat the refrigerator. Not that I am still hungry, I am usually full, but because the food tastes SO GOOD, especially when I throw in some fresh garden vegi's. I have to stop writing you now or the tea won't even work and the refrigerator is in mortal jeopardy!

Oh before I climb off my soap box, you need to supplement with vitamin C. And Ascorbic acid IS NOT vitamin C. It is a piece of vitamin C called a vitamir. The human body can not synthesize vitamin c, so ascorbic goes right through you. (Yup, it is fraud.) So real vitamin C, look up acerola cherry powder. It will help with your skin and lots of other things. Plus, if you mix it in with some stevia and some sparkling water (Trader Joe's has a cheap one), it makes a nice soda alternative.

Better tasting but lower vitamin C:
https://www.znaturalfoods.com/acerol...c-freeze-dried

Higher vitamin C:
https://www.znaturalfoods.com/acerol...c-freeze-dried

And also keep the "Keto Flu" away with extra salt. Ketones use more sodium than do carbs to process. Your kidneys regulate the "ratio" of sodium to potassium, so if you sodium goes low, so will your potassium. Your will notice that you are tired (Keto Flu) and get a lot of leg cramps. Now "Sea Salt" from the grocery store has all the trace minerals removed (sold to supplement companies) and it typically almost straight sodium. You should look for a full spectrum salt such as Redmond's. Here is their assay:

http://realsalt.redmond.life/wp-cont...t-Analysis.pdf

Lots of trace mineral!

Arkray is very graciously send me out a free test solution from my new free meter they also sent me. Nice folks!

Have you discovered cabbage wraps yet?


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Whew! I guess the above says that this way of eating is working for you. That's great.

I'm the opposite - I rarely test in the morning anymore. I prefer to test before eating and 1hr after. That way I learn what specific foods, or a particular carb load, does to my BG. Since I've been eating LCHF my fasting BG is fairly predictable.

BTW - am I responding to Todd or Margo?

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Whew! I guess the above says that this way of eating is working for you. That's great.

I'm the opposite - I rarely test in the morning anymore. I prefer to test before eating and 1hr after. That way I learn what specific foods, or a particular carb load, does to my BG. Since I've been eating LCHF my fasting BG is fairly predictable.

BTW - am I responding to Todd or Margo?
Todd. Margo is the love of my life for the past 44 years. She only eats what I eat so I will never be tempted to fall off the wagon. I know of a lot of other T2's whose spouses do not. A few that are vegetarians too and that is a recipe for disaster for a T2. Get another spouse that actually takes their wedding vows seriously!

Instead of testing before and after, learn the Glycemic Load of what you are eating. Just add them up for the day. Keep it under 15. I will save you from being a premier member of the Pin Cushion Club! You can look them up over at:

https://nutritiondata.self.com/

Some examples:

Nuts, macadamia nuts, dry roasted, with salt added
https://nutritiondata.self.com/facts...roducts/3175/2

1 cup
Glycemic Load: 0 Yippee!
Carbs 17.4g
Fiber 10.6g (do not fiber subtract with carbs)

And here is one to stay the hell away from !!!!

Cereals, oats, regular and quick and instant, unenriched, cooked with water (includes boiling and microwaving), without salt [oatmeal, cooked]
https://nutritiondata.self.com/facts...cereals/1598/2

1 cup
Glycemic Load: 14 (Deadly to a T2)
Carbs 31.8g (15 max per meal for a T2)
Fiber 4g (do not fiber subtract with carbs)

Who eats one cup of oatmeal too! I use to eat two at least! No wonder I got T2!, but they were Healthy Carbs!

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Follow up:

Spent some time speaking with Arkray tech support. They sent me a test vile of Level 1 test solution for my Relion Premier Compact.

Here is what you do. On the side of the test strip bottle (NOT the test solution), you will find level numbers. Mine was:

Level 1: 113 - 153 mg/dL.

So you test a strip with a level 1 solution. If it falls in the above range, the it tells you that the meter is working. NOT THAT IT IS ACCURATE! That is a YUGE misunderstanding as to what the test solution is suppose to tell you.

Now for accuracy, you have to look at the manual for the meter (well, Arkray/Relion meters at least). At the bottom of my manual it states:

Accuracy results for glucose concentration ≥ 75 mg/dL
Within 5 % 54/93 (58%)
Within 10 % 82/93 (88%)
Within 15% 93/93 (100%)
Within 20 % 93/93 (100%)

That means that 58% of the time, the meter will read with 5 %.

It also means the accuracy really stinks.

I will look for a better meter.

Thank you all for the tips on this posting.

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I will look for a better meter.
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Found a good test site for such:

https://diatribe.org/are-blood-gluco...data-18-meters

The Contour Next wins at 100%:
https://www.contournext.com/#&panel1-1

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That 100%, is a little misleading, it's not 100% accuracy? Looking at the first link posted in the article (dated 2017), referencing the Blood Glucose Monitor System Surveillance Program it seems that the meter is overall one of the best meters. About halfway down the page I linked, it is the most accurate within +/-5%, +/-10%, and +/-15% ranges. There are 3 meters showing 100% within +/-20%, 3 meters at 99% and 4 meters at 98%.

I had this meter for a little while in 2018, until I was told it was no longer covered by my company I work for's new prescription service. I was happy with it.

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That 100%, is a little misleading
Oh Ya. Misleading is the word. Since the same test parameters were placed on all the meters in the tst, then this is really a "figure of merit".

Thank you for the feedback on the meter! I see it sells for about 6 U$D on Amazon.

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Here is another study that includes that meter and others (also circa 2017). Not sure if these studies are the Next One and not just the Next, which by the way, are not one and the same meters.

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